https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50601

James Forrester <[email protected]> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |ASSIGNED
           Assignee|[email protected]    |[email protected]
            Summary|GuidedTour for first-time   |VisualEditor: Provide a
                   |VisualEditor users          |GuidedTour for first-time
                   |                            |VisualEditor users (ones
                   |                            |for both newbies for and
                   |                            |experienced editors?)

--- Comment #5 from James Forrester <[email protected]> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > Adding Steven in case his team wants to help/weigh in.
> 
> TL;DR: 
> 
> Unless VE team wants to own it, I think E3 can handle any tours of basic
> editing functionality (with and without VE). What we have is 1/2 way toward
> the changes Erik requested. 

Awesome; very happy for E3 to lead on this. We'll support as needed, of course.

> We are working on adding better VE support in GuidedTour currently, and I've
> added Matt Flaschen since he's tackling that. We are shooting for feature
> parity with our previous guided tour of editing for the first time delivered
> to GettingStarted editors, with the exception being that there is no Preview
> step to point to in VE. 
> 
> Also, soon we hope to test delivering a guided tour to all newly-registered
> editors, outside the GettingStarted funnel. (Docs:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Guided_tours). Whether we run that
> test on a wiki like Spanish or French instead of English depends on l10n of
> the "first edit" tour and whether VE support is ready. S Page is helping
> out with this test, so I've added him as well. 
> 
> If we're interested in pointing out the difference between VE and wikitext to
> users right away, we could easily build that in as step for the guided tours
> delivered via GettingStarted and the general "first edit" tour we're
> planning. Currently with the tour that's in production, we just point to the
> Edit button and section edit buttons. 
> 
> I'm open to changing that, but I do think we should be cautious about
> throwing too much complexity at first time editors too soon, by pointing out
> the multiple methods of editing. I added Pau for his input.

Yeah, I'm not convinced I know what we'd want to do.

Maybe just a simple "you're using VisualEditor" on first load for experienced
users?

Maybe a set of "add a {reference,template} by clicking here" ones too? Maybe
not?

What do you advise?

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