https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52915
--- Comment #2 from Nemo <[email protected]> --- Created attachment 13107 --> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=13107&action=edit Mail notifications headers compared (In reply to comment #1) > Possibly this might have the same cause as the mailinglist messages that were > ending up in the gmail spambox. This is supposed not to be the case, because they have different sender addresses with different SPF records and they are sent by a different IP, precisely to avoid @wikimedia.org mail, ML and wiki/other mail to be collated as single spam agent (this was done a few years ago by Mark, IIRC). Note that Echo emails are different from standard enotif in almost every single header (subject, from, sender, reply-to, footer and of course body are all non-standard), see an example at https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:GettingStarted/Welcome_enotif&oldid=686716 I have been told that the Echo team had discussed with ops the implications of having a different header. Indeed, I have tested it and despite the From: Wikipedia <[email protected]> Reply-To: No Reply <[email protected]> and the absence of a Sender, the presence of (envelope-from <[email protected]>) in the Received headers makes it pass the SPF check: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 2620:0:860:2:219:b9ff:fedd:c027 as permitted sender) [email protected] However, there is not much to do if the emails "look like spam" and users press the spam button, except – I think – making it clear that they are not spam. I don't know if this is the actual problem, it may be not. Most notifications (some 5k out of 16k daily) are talk pages notifications which already triggered enotiftalk before Echo. Only some 40 % of notifications goes to new users; experienced users probably already received most notifications and know how to deal with them. We don't have stats on pre-Echo enotiftalk nor on enotifwatchlist ( http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-features As it was noted on the wikitech-l thread about mailing list "spam", Gmail suggests you to unsubscribe from diligent email senders, rather than marking them spam, if they use the appropriate headers, in that case List-Unsubscribe and List-Subscribe. I don't know if we can use these headers to point to [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo]] or there are better headers; it could be a starting point though, as it has no cost. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
