https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55905
--- Comment #5 from Donald Lancon <dc...@obkb.com> --- (In reply to comment #2) > What's the use-case for a user preference? I read and re-read comment 0 and I > can't find one. I can do without the sarcasm. I'll try to explain exactly what I'm talking about: When the collapsible sub-menus were introduced in the Vector skin on Wikimedia wikis (e.g., click on "Toolbox" to show links to WhatLinksHere, SpecialPages, etc.), it was made opt-out, in the sense that users could uncheck the box "Enable collapsing of items in the sidebar in Vector skin" if they wanted all the items in the sidebar always visible. This made sense, since users tend to look in their preferences when something isn't configured the way they want. A few days ago, this option went away, and now users can no longer (easily?) configure the Vector skin to not collapse the sub-menus in the sidebar. What I am requesting is an easy, obvious way for users to override the collapsing of the items in the sidebar (/navbar... whatever). Why do I need this even though the menus stay open or closed when I navigate between pages on the same wiki? Simple: I don't stay on the same wiki all the time. I help to maintain m:Wikimedia_News, which requires me to visit "random" WM wikis almost every day, often checking this or that Special page for relevant information. Now every time I need to get to Special:SpecialPages, I have to click to open the damned "Toolbox" first. When I had the user preference, my Toolbox would always be open, on every wiki. Now every time I need something in my Toolbox, I find that someone has closed it. Not only that, but I'm told I can't leave all my Toolboxes open anymore. It's not allowed, for some strange reason. Clear enough? This might not seem like much to you, but it's extremely frustrating to users when they used to be able to configure something the way they want, and now they can no longer do that. I'm sure some of the 0.008% of English Wikipedia users (which, if I am interpreting this correctly, is almost 1,600 people) and 0.02% of German Wikipedia users (almost 350) have good reasons for setting it the way they had it, also. So... if we're not going to get a user preference to do this again, please tell me what I'm supposed to do to prevent the collapsing of the sidebar sub-menus. Now, if I'm mistaken about any of this, and there's something I'm not understanding, please let me know about it. (And as for my bug-submitting abilities, trust me: if I never had to submit a bug report about anything else in my life, I would be exceedingly happy. Don't blame ordinary users for the shortcomings of Bugzilla's user interface. If there's something you need people to submit along with their bug reports, tell them about it on the bug submission page.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list Wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
