https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64726
Erik Moeller <[email protected]> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #25 from Erik Moeller <[email protected]> --- Hi John, Thanks for your patience. A couple of follow-up questions: 1) Is this the only discussion that has happened on this issue in the Norwegian Wikipedia community? https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget/Arkiv/2014-23 I realize it is a small community, but there are 350+ active and 50+ very active editors according to http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaNO.htm - it looks like this was a discussion only among a very small number of people, for a very big change that will affect the future of the project for years to come. Am I missing something? It seems like it would be appropriate to advertise this via a poll in the sitenotice, no? Please note that these deployments have historically been contentious; English Wikipedia never agreed to a full FlaggedRevs deployment, and Russian Wikipedia's vote was divisive (see bug 13659). It's important that the community is aware that this change is being proposed, and what it means. 2) Google Translate is not especially helpful in understanding the level of preparation that has taken place. There is very little evidence that links FlaggedRevs to editor activity, as far as I know. However, there is strong and clear evidence that a successful FlaggedRevs implementation depends on a well-organized effort to prepare the community, track metrics, and keep up with recent edits. Compare: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Sichtungsstatistik?uselang=en https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA?uselang=en German Wikipedia's use is very well-established and the community is taking great care to keep up with recent edits; in contrast, Russian Wikipedia has a high percentage of pages that are outdated due to lack of reviewers. The end result is a more stale reader experience where even when just randomly browsing you see diffs of pending edits piling up. Is this something the community wants to avoid? If so, is there a plan in place to motivate reviewers, track the statistics, etc.? Perhaps a post-launch campaign via sitenotice to let people know why this is happening and how to be part of the effort? In general, WMF has historically enabled FlaggedRevs configurations without much review. We are not going to blanket veto them at this time, but we will develop a more systematic checklist to ensure such significant changes are well-supported in communities that request them, and that the level of preparation is consistent with what's required. Once again, I understand that the Norwegian community is very small, but would strongly recommend at least advertising the discussion via sitenotice for a while if this has not already happened. Hope this makes sense. Reopening the bug since we're open to enabling it provided due diligence has been done. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
