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HomePhabricator No notifications. Account Menu Favorites Menu Create Task Maniphest T138332 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138332> interwiki links to/from Multilingual Wikisource Open, MediumPublic Edit Task Edit Related Tasks... Edit Related Objects... Mute Notifications Protect as security issue Award Token Flag For Later Tags Wikidata (incoming) MediaWiki-Interwiki (Backlog) Wikisource (Backlog) Wikidata-Campsite (Ready to estimate) Subscribers beleg_tal, Hsarrazin, Ankry and 15 others Tokens "The World Burns" token, awarded by Thibaut120094. Assigned To None Authored By Yann, Jun 21 2016 Description This should not be a blocking issue if we disregard T206426 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206426>: Storing multiple sitelinks to a multilingual wiki which I do not think we should consider implementing except for possibly allowing sitelinks to be prefixed (a la Special:MyLanguage/) on their way to their target wiki. See my comment on that task. As such, I believe we should handle mul.ws as a oldwikisource multilingual wiki in the same fashion we handle other multilingual wikis like: meta, mediawiki, commons, species, wikimania, wikidata, etc. If we want to renamed oldwikisource across the board (leaving some backwards compatibility for old interwiki links), that is probably a good idea too. I recommend mulwikisource. However, that should not block editors from manipulating Wikidata sitelinks for this wiki (as per Jarekt's earlier comment, apparently 11 Wikidata items already have such sitelinks but they do not display properly on Wikidata entity pages and normal editors cannot otherwise manipulate them). If we do this and handle this wiki the same as other multilingual wikis this has some implications: this wiki will likely show up on Wikidata entity pages under "Other sites" and not "Wikisource" (we could change the label to "Wikisource monolingual" or similar) if we are on a non-wikisource monolingual site (like English Wikipedia), we need to consider how toolbar interwiki links should show when we have multiple wikisource links: one to multilingual Wikisource and one to monolingual Wikisource in the current language (e.g., English Wikisource). if we are on a monolingual Wikisource site the (e.g., English Wikisource), the toolbar interwiki links should show both other sister projects links in the current language (e.g., English Wikipedia) as well as the multilingual wiki links such as multilingual Wikisource. if we are on a multilingual wiki site how should the toolbar interwiki links look when there is a sitelink to multilingual Wikisource and a monolingual Wikisource in the same language as the current wiki. Potentially two Wikisource links need to be considered. I recommend we specify multilingual Wikisource and then just Wikisource as we currently are doing. For the most part this is how standalone multilingual wikis are already handled so the number of cases that needs consideration and possible changes should be minimal. Related Objects Task Graph Mentions Status Subtype Assigned Task Open None T109579 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109579> [Epic] Give more sister projects access to Wikidata Stalled None T54971 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971> [Goal] Sitelinks and arbitrary accesses to Incubator, OldWikisource and BetaWikiversity Open None T138332 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138332> interwiki links to/from Multilingual Wikisource Resolved Ladsgroup T204706 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204706> Investigation: status of oldwikisource in relation to wikidatawiki Event Timeline Yann created this task.Jun 21 2016, 10:11 Restricted Application added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptJun 21 2016, 10:11 Yann added a comment.Jun 21 2016, 10:12 Comment Actions ex: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Henri_Poincar%C3%A9 Thibaut120094 awarded a token.Jun 21 2016, 10:14 Thibaut120094 added a project: Wikisource. Thibaut120094 added a subscriber: Thibaut120094. Mbch331 added subscribers: Lydia_Pintscher, Mbch331.Jun 21 2016, 11:50 Comment Actions This is a know issue and is handled in T54971 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971>. Problem is that https://wikisource.org is a multilingual version of Wikisource and can't be handled easily in the current code. See also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource/Development. I think @Lydia_Pintscher could tell more about this. matej_suchanek added a parent task: T109579 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109579>: [Epic] Give more sister projects access to Wikidata.Aug 13 2016, 08:04 Candalua added a subscriber: Candalua.Aug 14 2016, 08:54 thiemowmde triaged this task as Medium priority.Sep 5 2016, 08:46 Candalua added a comment.Edited · Sep 5 2016, 08:58 Comment Actions In T138332#2397387, @Mbch331 wrote: This is a know issue and is handled in T54971. Problem is that https://wikisource.org is a multilingual version of Wikisource and can't be handled easily in the current code. See also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource/Development. I think @Lydia_Pintscher could tell more about this. Can you or @Lydia_Pintscher please be more specific? The mere fact that wikisource.org hosts content in multiple languages should not be a blocking issue. Lydia_Pintscher lowered the priority of this task from Medium to Low.Sep 9 2016, 11:22 Comment Actions It is a blocking issue in so far that an item can only link to one page on a given wiki. If several languages are covered on one wiki then we also usually have the case that we have two pages for one concept on that wiki that would both need to be linked in the same item. Candalua added a comment.Sep 9 2016, 11:56 Comment Actions In T138332#2623867, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: It is a blocking issue in so far that an item can only link to one page on a given wiki. If several languages are covered on one wiki then we also usually have the case that we have two pages for one concept on that wiki that would both need to be linked in the same item. This is a limitation, but I don't see why it should be blocking for this task. We can just link to a disambiguation page. And Wikisource doesn't work like Wikipedia... on any WS (not just the multilingual one) you can have multiple versions of the same text (different edition, different translations...) But still, when the other Wikisources were given access to Wikidata, this was not considered a blocking issue... Candalua added a comment.Sep 9 2016, 15:27 Comment Actions The limitation of linking to one page per wiki will be overcome when T128173 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128173> will one day be implemented. In the meantime can you please proceed to give Wikidata access to wikisource.org? Are there other technical reasons for not doing it? Liuxinyu970226 added a subscriber: Liuxinyu970226.Nov 19 2016, 08:00 Nikki added a subscriber: Nikki.Dec 6 2016, 07:51 Liuxinyu970226 added a parent task: T54971 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971>: [Goal] Sitelinks and arbitrary accesses to Incubator, OldWikisource and BetaWikiversity.Dec 28 2016, 19:16 Restricted Application added a subscriber: PokestarFan. · View Herald TranscriptJul 25 2017, 16:11 jhsoby added a subscriber: jhsoby.Aug 22 2018, 07:27 Liuxinyu970226 renamed this task from interwiki links to/from https://wikisource.org to interwiki links to/from Multilingual Wikisource.Sep 26 2018, 15:57 Liuxinyu970226 removed a parent task: T109579 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109579>: [Epic] Give more sister projects access to Wikidata. Liuxinyu970226 added a subtask: T204706 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204706>: Investigation: status of oldwikisource in relation to wikidatawiki. Addshore closed subtask T204706 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T204706>: Investigation: status of oldwikisource in relation to wikidatawiki as Resolved.Nov 6 2018, 03:16 matej_suchanek mentioned this in T218028 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218028>: Links to sourceswiki can be added to items but aren't displayed.Mar 11 2019, 06:25 Ash_Crow added a subscriber: Ash_Crow.May 3 2019, 00:34 Comment Actions In T138332#2623867, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: It is a blocking issue in so far that an item can only link to one page on a given wiki. If several languages are covered on one wiki then we also usually have the case that we have two pages for one concept on that wiki that would both need to be linked in the same item. The different pages correspond to different editions of the work, which implies different items anyway. Jarekt added a subscriber: Jarekt.Jun 10 2019, 08:02 Comment Actions I run into this problem, when dealing with unusual sitelinks, which are not displayed. For example Q62081484 seems to be an empty item with nothing in it other than label in italian, but closer look shows that it also has sitelink to https://wikisource.org/wiki/Li_fioreti_de_mess%C3%AA_san_Francescho. At the moment GUI does not allow you to see, or change it. According to this query there are only 11 items with sitelinks to old wikisource. We need to either remove them and prevent future creation, or show sitelink in GUI. Perhaps in "other sites" section, or as mulwikisource in wikisource section. jhsoby added a subscriber: Lea_Lacroix_WMDE.Jul 5 2019, 07:38 Comment Actions In T138332#2623867, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: It is a blocking issue in so far that an item can only link to one page on a given wiki. If several languages are covered on one wiki then we also usually have the case that we have two pages for one concept on that wiki that would both need to be linked in the same item. I think this might have been mentioned before in a different ticket, but anyways. This wouldn't actually be a problem for the multilingual Wikisource. The reason is the way that different editions of works are handled in Wikidata (see WikiProject Books): Each edition of a work should have its own item. Transcriptions on Wikisource are of specific editions of a work. So then, even if there are several transcriptions of the same work in Wikisource, those will still be different editions, and would therefore have separate sitelinks. The problem with several pages on the same item would really only happen for project pages and the likes, but that's already the case for Meta and Commons (which are supported), so I don't think that should be a blocker for this task. Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment.Jul 5 2019, 08:08 Comment Actions @Lydia_Pintscher Since the issue of multiple links doesn't seem to be a real problem, since Wikisource links should be added to different items anyway (different editions), can we move forward with this? Or is this anything else blocking? MJL added a subscriber: MJL.Jul 5 2019, 11:50 Ankry added a subscriber: Ankry.Jul 6 2019, 13:37 Hsarrazin added a subscriber: Hsarrazin.Oct 3 2019, 12:17 jhsoby added a comment.Oct 7 2019, 15:13 Comment Actions @Lydia_Pintscher Any update? :) beleg_tal added a subscriber: beleg_tal.Oct 23 2019, 08:41 Lydia_Pintscher added a project: Wikidata-Campsite.Sat, Dec 21, 08:30 Comment Actions Ok it seems to work now to add links but they are not shown in the Item -.- Adding to camp for investigation. Restricted Application added a subscriber: RhinosF1. · View Herald TranscriptSat, Dec 21, 08:30 Lydia_Pintscher moved this task from Incoming to Ready to estimate on the Wikidata-Campsite board.Sat, Dec 21, 08:30 jhsoby added a comment.Edited · Sat, Dec 21, 08:57 Comment Actions In T138332#5758791, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: Ok it seems to work now to add links but they are not shown in the Item -.- Adding to camp for investigation. Oh, cool! Which item have they been added to? Could the link be in the Wikipedia section? I have seen that happen in some places (clarification: not on Wikidata, but on tool lab tools) because the db name doesn't end in "Wikisource" but just "wiki" (sourceswiki). Lydia_Pintscher added a comment.Sat, Dec 21, 08:59 Comment Actions I looked at https://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page and followed the "Wikidata item" link in the sidebar. jhsoby added a comment.Edited · Sat, Dec 21, 09:02 Comment Actions In T138332#5758826, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: I looked at https://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page and followed the "Wikidata item" link in the sidebar. Oh yeah, no, that is because of some jQuery I added to Common.js that works with [[Template:Interwiki]] which is added manually to pages in the multilingual Wikisource... Lydia_Pintscher added a comment.Sat, Dec 21, 09:07 Comment Actions *sob* Ok ;-) RhinosF1 removed a subscriber: RhinosF1.Sat, Dec 21, 09:10 beleg_tal added a comment.Edited · Fri, Jan 3, 05:53 Comment Actions Regarding "an item can only link to one page on a given wiki" - this is already the case on some other wikis and Wikidata has means to handle this using Property:P2959 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P2959> "permanent duplicated item" For example https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada --> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q93359 https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hn/O_Canada --> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12715470 For more information see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P2959 Uzume raised the priority of this task from Low to Medium.Thu, Jan 9, 16:01 Uzume updated the task description. 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By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Code of Conduct. · Wikimedia Foundation · Privacy Policy · Code of Conduct · Terms of Use · Disclaimer · CC-BY-SA · GPL Change Details Old New Diff This should not be a blocking issue if we disregard T206426: Storing multiple sitelinks to a multilingual wiki <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206426> which I do not think we should consider implementing except for possibly allowing sitelinks to be prefixed (//a la// `Special:MyLanguage/`) on their way to their target wiki. See my comment on that task. As such, I believe we should handle mul.ws as a `oldwikisource` multilingual wiki in the same fashion we handle other multilingual wikis like: `meta`, `mediawiki`, `commons`, `species`, `wikimania`, `wikidata`, etc. If we want to renamed `oldwikisource` across the board (leaving some backwards compatibility for old interwiki links), that is probably a good idea too. I recommend `mulwikisource`. However, that should not block editors from manipulating Wikidata sitelinks for this wiki (as per Jarekt's earlier comment, apparently 11 Wikidata items already have such sitelinks but they do not display properly on Wikidata entity pages and normal editors cannot otherwise manipulate them). If we do this and handle this wiki the same as other multilingual wikis this has some implications: - this wiki will likely show up on Wikidata entity pages under "Other sites" and not "Wikisource" (we could change the label to "Wikisource monolingual" or similar) - if we are on a non-wikisource monolingual site (like English Wikipedia), we need to consider how toolbar interwiki links should show when we have multiple wikisource links: one to multilingual Wikisource and one to monolingual Wikisource in the current language (e.g., English Wikisource). - if we are on a monolingual Wikisource site the (e.g., English Wikisource), the toolbar interwiki links should show both other sister projects links in the current language (e.g., English Wikipedia) as well as the multilingual wiki links such as multilingual Wikisource. - if we are on a multilingual wiki site how should the toolbar interwiki links look when there is a sitelink to multilingual Wikisource and a monolingual Wikisource in the same language as the current wiki. Potentially two Wikisource links need to be considered. I recommend we specify multilingual Wikisource and then just Wikisource as we currently are doing. For the most part this is how standalone multilingual wikis are already handled so the number of cases that needs consideration and possible changes should be minimal. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138332 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Uzume Cc: Uzume, beleg_tal, Hsarrazin, Ankry, MJL, Lea_Lacroix_WMDE, Jarekt, Ash_Crow, jhsoby, PokestarFan, Nikki, Liuxinyu970226, Candalua, Mbch331, Lydia_Pintscher, Thibaut120094, Aklapper, Yann, Zppix, darthmon_wmde, DannyS712, Nandana, Satpal_Dandiwal, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Bodhisattwa, Scott_WUaS, Jonas, Samwilson, Wikidata-bugs, aude, jayvdb, Shizhao, Billinghurst, jayantanth, Ltrlg, Krenair
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