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In https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674#2056791, @Danny_B wrote: > Besides votes in Bugzilla were never considered relevant, they can //never substitute local consensuses// on and for single wikis. It's true that they cannot substitute local consensus on a wiki. But apparently the bug //also// had the most votes of //any// bug on Bugzilla. Contrast that with a whole bunch of other features which have been requested (or not) and subsequently enabled.... The argument you are making is attacking a strawman argument, in this case. > make Chines as a site language for all wikis having less than 1M of articles... Sure, and the WMF would close the task as invalid because that's clearly not the point of the Wikimedia movement. Another strawman. > Anyway, thousands opted-in where? On which wikis? It should have been taken into consideration the ratio of those who turned it on vs. number of active users on such wiki, and if it was at leas over 50 %, then turn the feature on, otherwise not and definitely wait for opt in consensus. That seems like an unreasonable requirement for //any// beta feature given that typical user response is around 1k users turning a feature on (some features less than that). If you have a problem with the current beta process, you should consider leaving that feedback elsewhere, since this is not the task for that discussion. > I do not question the principiality of the feature, I never so-questioned you. To do so would have been improper etiquette. > But until its //implementation// fulfills various projects needs (as partially described by example in T127673: Ability to set up order and presence of sister projects <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127673>), it should have never been turned on globally. How can we know what the projects need without enabling-by-default working software (contrast this with Gather, which is soon-to-be-removed from en.wp)? We can ask them, but (as below) some people miss the message. Somehow. > Re the claiming of fact: Was there any announcement on wikis like: > "There will be sisterproject links turned on on your wiki on <date goes here>, if you do not wish so, please <process description goes here>" > Being just an ordinary human, I could have simply missed that one, but I clearly do not remember any. Please navigate me to such announcment, thank you. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103102#1921345 says it was in the news on or about January 8, 2016. I do not know exactly which pages are delivered to on which wikis (on en.wp it's WP:VPT), but I'm sure you can ask the person who made the column-move about specifics for each wiki. Anyway, I'm done discussing with you. The project manager of the Wikidata component has closed this bug as invalid. I doubt anyone is going to disagree with her decision except with specific wikis in mind. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127674 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Izno Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, Izno, Glaisher, TTO, Aklapper, Danny_B, StudiesWorld, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 _______________________________________________ Wikidata-bugs mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
