I fully agree. If CC4 comes before any decision is to be made with WikiData's licence it would only be natural to use CC-BY-SA for data as well as for content. My pleading for ODbL is as a temporary fix since right now, in countries such as France, releasing data under CC-anything basically means CC0 on the data without producers using it even knowing it (latest one yesterday here data.visitprovence.com )
I was only arguing in favor to pursue the common goods attitude behind the copyleft choice that was made before for Wikipedia. Benjamin On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 01:35, Mike Linksvayer <[email protected]> wrote: > A few quick points: > > * The main lack of suitability of CC licenses for databases is that > they don't explicitly (with a few exceptions in the case of certain > jurisdiction "ports" which we can ignore) grant permissions that > mitigate non-copyright database rights. If not for this, ODbL and some > government-specific licenses such as UK OGL would probably not have > been motivated enough to exist > > * However, the bar for plain old copyright restricting databases is > unfortunately low, especially outside the US, which may in part > explain use of various CC licenses for various databases from the very > beginning of CC; some background at > http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26283 > > * Version 4.0 of the various CC licenses will almost certainly license > sui generis database rights and similar just as they do copyright. I > would hope that Wikimedia projects (in general, ignoring Wikidata for > now) will move to 4.0 shortly after it is done, otherwise it won't be > actually done IMO. :) 1st draft announced today > http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/32157 > > * Although it may not have happened if CC 3.0 or before licenses > explicitly addressed database rights, ODbL is similar to CC-BY-SA in > that they're both copyleft/reciprocal/viral/hereditary licenses, they > are quite different in detail, most significantly: > > - ODbL requires machine-readable source (entire derivative database, > or patch); CC-BY-SA has no source requirement > > - ODbL allows for "produced works" (eg a rendered map) not subject > to same license requirement; if work derivative of CC-BY-SA, same > license must be used (modulo exceptions & limitations of course) > > * The most significant issue is not a difference exactly: ODbL and > CC-BY-SA are each only compatible with themselves (and note that CC0 > is donor compatible with them both, but obviously not recipient > compatible) > > * I would guess the first thing to figure out is whether compatibility > is needed, and where. At one extreme, Wikidata would have no choice > but to use CC-BY-SA as that's what other Wikimedia projects are using, > and it will be ingesting data from. At the other extreme, that data is > all public domain and or there's community agreement on boundary of > data and everything else, and Wikidata data can be CC0, ODbL, or > whatever else is deemed to be the best fit. > > IANAL etc, > Mike > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 07:33, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou <[email protected]> > wrote: > > To keep along the sharing path that was adopted with the original choice > of > > CC-BY-SA for contents one could argue in favor of OpenDataCommons' ODbL. > It > > is basically the equivalent of CC-BY-SA but for data, and is the choice > > OpenStreetMap made among others. > > This could be a good way to ensure WikiData's full database won't be > > pivatised without any giving back to the community > > > > Cheers, > > > > Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou > > http://www.RegardsCitoyens.org > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 16:27, Denny Vrandečić < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Yep, until now we always have been discussing and are strongly leaning > >> towards CC-0 for the data content, and CC-BY-SA for the textual content > of > >> Wikidata, i.e. the project pages, discussion pages, etc. > >> > >> We are fully aware that most CC licenses are not adequate for data. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Denny > >> > >> > >> 2012/4/2 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Hoi, > >>> The question if CC is the right license for data is a bit limited; what > >>> CC license?. There are many licenses available by Creative Commons. > >>> > >>> When you consider facts, on their own they cannot be copyrighted and > >>> consequently licensed. A CC-0 license would work really well for them. > >>> Thanks, > >>> Gerard > >>> > >>> On 2 April 2012 14:30, Alexrk <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, because Locos asked me to post this on the mailinglist as well... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Alexrk2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikidata-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Project director Wikidata > >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Eisenacher Straße 2 | 10777 Berlin > >> Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter > >> der Nummer 23855 B. 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