Dear JFC,

we do not have a charter, but we have a technical project proposal [1] and
a list of fundamental requirements [2].

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Requirements

I am not sure if this addresses your comments, as I am frankly having
trouble to follow them. You are frequently using of neologisms and weird
terms. Also you seem to be discussing within a conceptual space that is on
a different level than we are interested in.

In short, we have for Wikidata two pragmatic goals:
* Wikidata's first aim is to support the Wikipedias with their language
links
* Wikidata's second aim is to support the Wikipedias with the infoboxes

Out of the support for these tasks, other interesting use cases might and
are expected to arise.

Until I manage to understand how your comments relate to one of these
goals, I will personally take the liberty to ignore your comments.

Cheers,
Denny



2012/4/5 JFC Morfin <[email protected]>

> At 17:20 04/04/2012, Stracke, Christian wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> I'm sorry bit "jfc" is mixing up different standards and committees (what
>> is easy):
>>
>
> Sorry for the confusion. The problem with ISO and ISO documents is that
> they are not documented on (i.e. interested in? i.e. interesting for?)
> Wikipedia.
>
> 1. 19788-1, can be found for free at: http://www.sis.se/PageFiles/**
> 2140/MLR-utkast%**20arbetsmaterial.pdf<http://www.sis.se/PageFiles/2140/MLR-utkast%20arbetsmaterial.pdf>
>
> 2. The Wikidata issue, as I see it, is that we do not start from an
> architectural framework based on a business plan, charter or TOR. It seems
> that the current target is to implement a W3C semantic web
> current-Wikimedia general data-store. This does not consider Wikidata as a
> major contributor to the future-Wikimedia development.
>
> Agreeing on the role Wikidata is to play in the Wikimedia adaptation to
> the Internet future should be our first point of consensus. Otherwise :
>
> 1. Wikidata is of no direct interest to Internet Users, only to Wikipedia
> contributors;
> 2. another Wikimedia project is to be considered as a Wikidata back-end.
>
> Certainly, at a time, there will be a need for a datamodel. But first we
> need to locate Wikidata in the Wikimedia strategy as a data-collector and
> as a data-desseminator, not only as a data-store, in a real world where
> there are five main conceptual channels : (1) Business World diversity
> (Search Engines, etc.), (2) JTC1, (3) W3C, (4) emergent IUsers [Intelligent
> lead users: FLOSS, IUCG], (5) Wikimedia. Possibly we have to consider Big
> Data, and the border with Big Data as it will emerge.
>
> As being on the IUse side, I know that we need a convergence of these
> channels if we want to attain a good degree of (meta/syllo) data
> interchange and not multiply costs, complication and lack of progress
> everywhere (not only in sciences). Wikidata is not only about millions of
> lonely contributors/authors as Wikipedia  is, it also is about
>
> * ISO 11179  conformant very large sources contributions
> * diktyologies (from greek diktyos, network), i.e. dynamically
> auto-maintained intelligent ontologic spaces. This is a part we have to
> explore and support with new concepts (such as syllodata: data between
> metadata), cloud architecture, programming languages. Otherwise Wikimedia
> will soon be a story of the past, its free commons being copied by many
> (like http://wikipedia.orange.fr) and distributed and automatically
> enhanced by powerfull diktyologies with integrated big (scientific, etc.)
> data servers.
>
> jfc
>
>


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