Hoi,
The KEY part of OmegaWiki is not so much that it is intended to replace
Wiktionary, it is that it has language and concepts at its heart. This is
in my opinion the only way to look at things .. consider: When you have a
word that needs disambiguation, it follows that the Wikipedia article about
that disambiguation is not a concept in its own right. When there is a red
link on such a disambiguation page, there is no article on that concept yet.
OmegaWiki is about words and concepts (I intentionally do not use the
OmegaWiki terminology here). Because of this it is possible to have a one
to many relation. Wikipedia articles are an attribute to the words in
different languages associated with a concept.The benefits are great. One
of them is that we can and do have translations without a Wikipedia article
but with a definition. This means that we can provide basic information on
a subject in a language AND people can choose to read a Wikipedia article
in a language they know.
Given that it is about concepts, we can and do link Commons to the concept
itself and not to Wikipedia. Consider, a rose is a roos in Dutch but it is
as beautiful.
And when you ask about datastructures like info boxes.. We do support those
too. They are in essence attributes available because a concept is
associated with a "category" for instance Germany is a country. As a
consequence it can be associated with a capitol, countries and seas
bordering them.
Denny I hope Wikidata is similar because without a concept based structure
it is indeed Wikipedia based and limited in its capabilities.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 9 May 2012 15:30, Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> 2012/5/9 Lydia Pintscher <[email protected]>
>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Chris Tophe <[email protected]>
>> wrote:> Concerning collaboration between the two projects,
>> > I am not sure why the new-Wikidata is starting from scratch, and not
>> from
>> > the
>> > old-Wikidata, but there are probably good reasons for that.
>> > Would anybody know if, in the future, it would be possible to make
>> OmegaWiki
>> > use the new Wikidata instead of the old one? Or should they stay
>> separate
>> > projects?
>>
>>
> (I am no expert on OmegaWiki, so please excuse me and correct me if I make
> a mistake)
>
> The design and plan for Wikidata/Wikibase (further Wikidata) has a very
> different focus than OmegaWiki/Wikidata (further OmegaWiki).
> * Our first aim for Wikidata is to support the Wikipedias (and then also
> other projects). Thus Wikidata talks about items and their properties, the
> items being the topics of the respective Wikipedia articles.
> * OmegaWiki is geared towards replacing the Wiktionaries. Thus OmegaWiki
> talks about words and their translations, the meaning of the words being
> given by their defined meaning.
>
> Although both involves structured data, the kind of structure is very
> different. The workflows are very different. I was checking OmegaWiki again
> and again while writing the proposal for Wikidata, getting inspired in how
> things are done there, thinking about the differences in the workflow,
> etc., but in the end, although I find OmegaWiki a fascinating project (and
> did so since 2005, when I heard of it for the first time from Gerard) I did
> not see sufficient overlap in order to investigate the code further.
>
> If I am mistaken, I would be very happy to actually see the features that
> you think we can steal from OmegaWiki or the other way around. I guess a
> chat would make sense at some point?
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
>
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