Denny, I agree this is too early. CC4 being on the way, I believe the best option would be not to opt for a temporary licence and just wait until CC-BY-SA 4 can be used. This would seem to fit into the wikidata agenda, whouldn't it?
PS: Regarding compat between ODBL and CC-BY-SA, it is still a longly debated subject that nobody did a real case for yet with v3, but I believe ODC people are working on ensuring the compat at least with v4 Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> wrote: > Benjamin, all, > > taking from the beginning a license like ODBL would make it hard or > even impossible to switch later to, e.g. CC-BY-SA 4.0, which might be > a more natural choice since the rest of the WMF projects are mostly > licensed under CC-BY-SA. ODBL and CC-BY-SA are not mutually > compatible. > > The question of a license is complicated, has wide implications, and > deserves a much wider discussion in a community that does not exist > yet. Unlike any other license, CC-0 allows us to later change the > license. Also, CC-0 makes it easiest to include the content from > Wikidata in the Wikipedias and anywhere else, which is great for the > start. > > CC-0 seems to me the only choice that would allow us to delegate the > proper discussion about the license into the future, when the > community is actually there. Any other license would make such a > discussion impossible. > > I think such a discussion can be prepared now, and arguments can be > gathered for possible licenses, but it can not be decided now -- it is > simply too early. > > Best regards, > Denny > > > 2012/8/4 Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou <[email protected]>: >>> From my understanding, yes, it won't be possible to import data from >>> Wikipedia infoboxes etc. into a CC0 WikiData. (At least under European Union >>> law, where databases are protected by copyright) >>> >>> The answer from Denny Vrandečić was: "Wikidata does not plan to extract >>> content out of Wikipedia at all." >>> >>> The problem, I think is, that Wikipedieans just expect that this is exactly >>> what WikiData is actually meant for - to absorb the data stuff from >>> Wikipedia. And on the other hand: how useful is WikiData, if you tell the >>> Wikipedians, that they are not allowed to move data from Wikipedia into >>> WikiData? >> >> This is the reason why I recommanded from the beginning to adopt for >> WikiData not the "no-restriction at all" CC0 licence but one fitted to >> data and respectfuil to Wikipedia's general choice of creating a >> common good of knowledge by ensuring the need to share the reused >> information (share-alike clause of CC-BY-SA) : the Open Database >> Licence (ODbL) from the Open Knowledge Foundation does exactly this >> and is already being used by ma,ny people,; including official cities >> or regions for example here in France. >> <http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/> >> Unfortunately it looked back then like the decision was being taken >> without any real debate when it should be at the center of the >> project's grounds... >> >> Best, >> >> Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou from Regards Citoyens >> http://www.RegardsCitoyens.org >> >> >> >>> Alex >>> >>> -- >>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Alexrk2 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > -- > Project director Wikidata > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
