Le 2013-03-14 19:30, Michael Hale a écrit :
In general, I do like the idea of periodically collecting article
references into Wikidata. They are a type of structured data that is
associated with every article, and there are lots of interesting
queries that would be easier to do if that information was in a
structured database. I don't know if it will help make issues
regarding finding and verifying references that we already encounter
on Wikipedia any easier. I spend most of my time on the English
Wikipedia, and the only times (so far) that I've intentionally gone
to
the article in another language are for culturally specific holidays.
The only thing that I really notice is that they often have better
pictures, because other than that I have to rely on Google Translate.
Well, for the specific purpose we are talking about, you wouldn't need
to go to other chapters[1]. Wikidata already include associated articles
accross different chapters. So if we add entries for relations between
statement and reference, we can also add an attribute on which article
use it. And ta-da! you can distribute this reference in all associated
articles in all chapters. And you can of course have an attribute to
translate the statement in each supported language, so contributors can
identify with which sentences in their local language article they can
use it as a reference.
[1] But of course if you do understand other chapters language, it
would give you more context than just a systematicaly structured
information.
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:50:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] question about Inclusion policy discussion
Le 2013-03-14 02:09, Michael Hale a écrit :
> I think of Wikidata as the symbiotic version of Freebase. I won't
say
> Freebase is a parasite, but I think a core aspect of Wikidata is
that
> edits to the database will often feed back into the encyclopedia
in
> various places. I haven't looked too much at the technical
> implementation of Wikidata yet, but databases with billions of
items
> aren't that rare anymore.
In this connection, I would like to take advantage to ask if we
should
include references in wikidata, and —what would be even more
awesome–
relations between statements/theses and a particular author. I think
this could benefit wikipedia with the no-original work goal, and
making
references cross-chapters consistent.
Moreover this could also be used to associate a statement
attribution
reliability and a statement relevancy reliability. Let's say I read
an
article on some foreign antiquity culture. This article report some
statements which are, at first glanced, well sourced. But one
reference
happened to be a book that I can't get. A research prove me that the
book indeed exists, but is no longer publicly available. So I can't
check if what is claimed in the wikipedia article is what is claimed
in
the book. But other people may have a copy, so they could give
feedback
to the community confirming or invaliding that the statement can
indeed
be found in the book. Now an other case may be that a reference is
readable directly on the internet, but the text is written in a
forreign
dead language that you don't know, nor find an automatic translator.
So
despite having the source right before your eyes, you can't check
that
the text make the statement. You may of course ask a validation in
discussion page, or check if someone let feedback on the topic. But
it
would be far better if knowledgeable people feedback could be
gathered
whatever the chapter they use, and redistributed in all chapters.
What do you think of that ?
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