Hoi,
The reason why it is NOT good enough and what you fail to understand is
that this is NOT an attribute that we should morph into something else. Its
name makes it clear: "main type (GND)" this implies that the definition and
its values are external to Wikidata; they are the definition as per the
GND.
For me it means that when a specific value of this main type makes sense...
ie it is about a person, I use it. I do not use it for any other value. The
added value for using it is some of the tools that INSIST on its use. From
a theoretical point of view, "instance of" serves us equally well without
relying on external values and systems.
The reason why I proposed the removal of p107 is that people give it a
value that they do not support by providing arguments and guidance on how
to ensure that data entered is valid. So far I have noticed that Wikidata
is seen as secondary to whatever Wikipedia. In my opinion Wikidata is a
project in its own right and many artefacts of Wikipedia just do not belong
in Wikidata. P107 is one such artefact.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 July 2013 17:03, Paul A. Houle <[email protected]> wrote:
> I would say that GND is a “good enough” answer.
>
> Most named entities are persons, organizations, events, creative
> works and places and these are all mutually exclusive. There ought to be
> a system interlock to prevent confusion between them.
>
> “Organism Classification” or whatever you call it should also be on
> the list, because of prevalence.
>
> One thing I’d add to that is fictional character because there are a
> (1) lot of them and (2) they can be ontologized more-or-less in parallel
> with people, and (3) you’ll get cleaner people if you keep fictional
> characters out. (On the other hand, there are fictional events, places,
> etc. too, though these are not so well documented.) Is it easy to add a
> new GND type?
>
> I think you’re calling the “wastebin” category term, which is
> reasonable (I’d call it a “concept”.) Going much further than this you’ll
> run into Borges encyclopedia style risks, but aren’t the categories named
> in GND upwards of 80% of the topics? Can you run a report on this?
>
> *From:* Sven Manguard <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:19 PM
> *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata
> project.<[email protected]>
> *Subject:* [Wikidata-l] A solution with finality is needed for P107 -
> maintype (GND)
>
> I have just closed a second deletion discussion for Property:P107 - main
> type (GND).
>
> As with the first discussion, it is clear that there is a broad sense that
> main type (GND) is not an ideal solution, however as it stands now, a large
> enough portion of the community does not want to get rid of it unless/until
> a replacement system is found or developed. For this reason, I closed the
> discussion as no consensus and opened up a request for comment on the
> matter of finding a replacement for P107.
>
> I have gone to the unusual step of emailing the mailing list for three
> reasons. First, P107 is the most used property on the project, and it or
> its replacement will (most likely) remain the most used property on the
> project forever. Second, the GND has evolved into a component of how
> Wikidata is structured; our lists of properties are sorted by GND type, and
> that has a real impact on what properties are used on what pages. The third
> reason is that, as a general statement, participation levels in requests
> for comment have been downright sad. Three or four people participating in
> an RfC is, for a project of this size, unhealthy, and most RfCs don't get
> more than that many people participating in them. For something this
> important, we need at least a dozen people, preferably at least twice that.
> </rant>
>
> Anyways, the RfC is at
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Primary_sorting_propertyand
> I hope that, with broad participation, we can finally resolve this
> issue.
>
> Yours,
> Sven
>
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