here are my thoughts about this: "MAYOR OF FOO" VERSUS "MAYOR" OF "FOO" I am in favour of a separate item for every town and village which has a mayor or a council. I am against have a "Mayor of Foo" item for each these. If the mayor gets an item then the deputy mayor and the sheriff and the dog cacher should get items too. Much better to use the 'of' qualifier. If an administrative division has 2 councils e.g. the Senate and the Congress in many US states then create an item for "Iowa Senate" and use the statement "office held:Senator. of:Iowa Senate" so it keeps the same pattern.
NOTABILITY My opinion is that a separate item should be created wherever this is necessary to record statements about a concept. If there are no useful statements you can make about it then it probably doesn't need an item. Example 1: The "Iowa Senate" has a foundation date, a quantity of members, a headquarters location. "Iowa Senator" is a subclass of "Senator" and there is not much more you can say. (Note that even on the English Wikipedia "US Senator" is a redirect to "US Senate". Only the Occitan wikipedia has separate items for these. See Q13217683) Example 2: If we want to record the overall results (votes and seats won by each party) for the 2014 elections to the Iowa senate then we will need an item for "2014 Senate elections in Iowa". Example 3: If we want to record the results for each constituency the we will need an item for "2014 elections in North Iowa Senate district" and for all the other electoral districts (but I hope we can come up with something so we don't have to create an item for all the failed candidates). That is what I think. Joe On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Paul Houle <[email protected]> wrote: > So far as data types go I'd look at the structure here > > http://www.freebase.com/business/employment_tenure?schema= > > Something parallel to this satisfies the major requirements for > describing who was the Mayor of Where When; perhaps the Mayor of New > York is particularly notable, but sum total of significance of all > mayors surely is greater and enough to be notable. > > Of course an uncountable number of "composite concepts" that people > might want to reference that can be derived from a generic instance. > For instance, "Economy of Japan" might be a good LCSH heading, but > even the LCSH creates headings like that in a faceted organization > that recognizes that there is an "Economy of [place]" for any [place]. > If all of the useful composite concepts were materialized, you could > puff Wikidata up by orders of magnitudes. > ᐧ > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Tom Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sad to see the Deletionists taking hold on Wikidata too. > > > > Tom > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Thomas Douillard > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's > >> weird. > >> > >> > >> 2014-06-16 22:08 GMT+02:00 Derric Atzrott <[email protected] > >: > >> > >>> > That's certainly what the policy says. It's not what some admins > >>> > accept, though. > >>> > > >>> > A direct quote from one, from as recently as March this year: > >>> > > >>> > * The general spirit of the notability policy is that Wikipedia > >>> > finds [the subject] notable > >>> > >>> This was also the general vibe that I had gotten that informed my > >>> understanding of > >>> notability on Wikidata before someone pointed out that policy actually > >>> says > >>> differently. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Derric Atzrott > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikidata-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikidata-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > > -- > Paul Houle > Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and RDF > (607) 539 6254 paul.houle on Skype [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >
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