Hello all, Could we keep this discussion on one mailing list (or at least on all of them consistently if possible please? I'm missing out on parts of the conversation :-)
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 June 2015 at 10:20, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > I am not championing Sparkle and other wonderful tools. I am adding data > and i do no longer have the time. While I applaud your work it does not > bring new data like the date of death into Wikidata. It works on the back > of the work of the drones like me who add data. Your work while important > is secondary and therefore your preferences are secondary. > > The primary need is to bring quality information to Wikidata. Quality is > not in sources but it is in knowing that there is agreement on the data and > where there is not, only then sources become interesting at this stage or > our game. > > I will blog about the relative worth of sources in the near future. At this > time I find it mostly a distraction because we are not working on > comparison of data as long as it is not used to bring quality everwhere it > does not do what I am looking for. It is concentrating on single facts and > not on quality in the first place. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 4 June 2015 at 10:49, Markus Kroetzsch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Gerard, > > > > On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > >> Hoi, > >> An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using > >> Wikidata for person data, things like date of death. > >> > > > > I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging > > quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the > > DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing > > this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the > > issues discussed in this argument?) > > > > From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some of > > its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports > "date > > of death" statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested. The > > Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in the > past > > and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the middle if > > people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from Wikipedia > right > > away. I think the reason why it is not done is that nobody has prepared > and > > proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from DBpedia who can help > with > > this, maybe the best people to approach would be the bot authors who have > > helped to import all the existing personal data into Wikidata. > > > > As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if > > Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through the > > primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the "imported > from > > Wikipedia" references. But this does not apply to DBpedia specifically in > > any way. > > > > Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to champion > > this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the DBpedia > and > > Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death each of these > > datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use another simple > > query to display the most recent dates of death so as to compare them. > This > > could give the community a sense of whether a large-scale bot action, a > > Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple list of "editing suggestions" > > could be the right tool of getting the missing data into Wikidata. > > > > Regards, > > > > Markus > > > > > >> DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they > >> not only use dumps to update their information but they also use > >> information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers > >> like myself at Wikidata do. > >> > >> In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that > >> increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data > >> for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two > years.. > >> > >> I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are > >> more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They > >> are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make > >> their data available with our license. > >> Thanks, > >> GerardM > >> > >> > >> [1] > >> > >> > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikidata mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Markus Kroetzsch > > Faculty of Computer Science > > Technische Universität Dresden > > +49 351 463 38486 > > http://korrekt.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >
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