Hoi,
The notion that we have so many editors who are engaged in adding sources
is based on what? IMHO it is wishful thinking that sources matters that
much to most editors. When you say that they cannot manage statements as
well as sources you miss several important points.
- It is more fun to add statements than sources, statements are useful
in other languages.
- statements are used in info boxes so they are part of the article that
is written
- statements help build a concept cloud around a subject
- sources as part of a "library base" or as part of Wikidata make sense
because this does add value [1]
- sources on their own are only supportive to an article, they are a
dead end
Manually importing of statements is done extensively, I blogged this week
about Mrs Nataliya Kobrynska [2] and as a consequence I imported over 1000
statements.Manual import is an existing practice and consequently it is not
part of the paper. It is however possible to do away with much of the
importing when the content of lists and categories are based on statements
.. Much of the basics for such a thing is in place. It will likely change
the practices in all Wikipedias when we go that route.
If there is one problem with this vision, it is that it is too Wikipedia
centric. The problem is not Wikipedia an sich but the problem is that there
is not one Wikipedia but there are so many of them and they all have the
notion that they know best. At that they are wrong on principle. A good
example are subjects that are "local", this is where the local language
typically has an advantage over languages like German, French or English. I
am currently adding info on legislative representatives from Kerala and
they are much better described in Malayalam [3]. I am however adding info
from English..
In conclusion, I understand your point. However, when you look at it from
another point of view it is not what will move us on to higher quality for
our projects.
Thanks
GerardM
[1]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/05/wikipedia-citations-librarybase.html
[2]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/05/facebook-nataliya-kobrynska.html
[3]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/05/wikidata-kerala-mla-constituencies.html
On 30 May 2016 at 23:43, John Erling Blad <[email protected]> wrote:
> Page 21, moving to manual import of statements. I would really like to see
> the analysis written out that ends in this conclusion. It is very tempting,
> but the idea don't scale.
>
> We have now about 5-10 000 articles per active user. Those users have a
> huge backlog of missing references. If they shall manage statements in
> addition to their current backlog, then they will simply be overwhelmed.
>
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks :)
>>
>> Charlie has been working on concepts for making it possible to edit
>> Wikidata from Wikipedia and other wikis. This was her bachelor thesis. She
>> has now published it:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_projects_with_a_user-centered_design_approach.pdf
>> I am very happy she put a lot of thought and work into figuring out all
>> the complexities of the topic and how to make this understandable for
>> editors. We still have more work to do on the concepts and then actually
>> have to implement it. Comments welcome.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
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