My post was sharded to just the wikidata list, copying the others :) On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:59 PM Patricio Lorente < [email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you, SJ. I fully agree with your recommendations. > > El jue, 13 ene 2022 a las 14:55, Samuel Klein (<[email protected]>) > escribió: > >> Kay, bless your heart. >> Galder, Gereon, Xavi: I would be *particularly* interested in research >> in other languages, since it's harder for me to run across that in my >> regular feeds. (that may also be true for some of the reviewers :) but >> they're also lang and time limited) >> >> Recommendation that might conceivably be implemented for this cycle: >> -- Update "can submit" to "encouraged to submit" in any languages >> -- If in a language other than {core langs} <-- which may be only >> English this year, ask submitters to recommend a reviewer who can share a >> review of the work in English >> -- To Andy's point, confirm the license of the research is one that is >> open (so that it can be independently translated) >> -- Have a two stage award: the first stage, based on a quick review for >> significance and interest, identifies finalists which are, if not already >> in one of the {core langs}, translated into one of them. (at least in >> abstract + summary; we facilitate this translation by supporting / >> sponsoring community translation; it's a universal benefit for researchers >> around the world) >> -- Second stage is as currently imagined: review of finalist papers in >> {core langs}. >> >> <3. SJ >> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:27 PM KAY WOODING via Wikidata < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I SPEAK ENGLISH THABKS I APPRECIATE IT JESUS LOVES YIU I LOVE YOU GOD >>> BLESS YOU HAVE A BLESSED DAY >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:55:21 PM EST, Leila Zia < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We gave the option of accepting nominations in more languages some >>> more thought. I want to be very honest: I don't have a good solution >>> to accommodate more languages in this cycle. We considered the option >>> of allowing/encouraging nominations in other languages, and not doing >>> the broader search we do in English in those languages. However, even >>> this option is not really guaranteed to work because we consider >>> "scholarly publications" which can be papers of a few pages or books >>> that can be hundreds of pages. We cannot guarantee that we can >>> translate the scholarly publication (independent of its length) >>> in-time for the review. >>> >>> Given the above, my suggestion to you is that if you know of a >>> scholarly publication that is in another language than English and you >>> think we should consider it, still nominate it. We will consider it, >>> even if I can't guarantee that we review it. >>> >>> I'm sorry that I am not able to offer a better solution for this >>> cycle. We will continue thinking about this point for the future >>> cycles. >>> >>> Best, >>> Leila >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:46 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Leila, >>> > I have read it, that's why I'm confused. >>> > ________________________________ >>> > From: Leila Zia <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 9:40 PM >>> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> >>> > Cc: [email protected] < >>> [email protected]>; Discussion list for the Wikidata >>> project. <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] Re: The Wikimedia >>> Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations >>> > >>> > Hi Galder, >>> > >>> > Please see below. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:26 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, Leila, for answering the question raised. >>> > >>> > Anytime. >>> > >>> > > I'm a bit confused with this, I supposed that the Wikimedia >>> Foundation Research Award was an initiative from the Research team of the >>> WMF (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research), but I read in >>> your answer that "WikiResearch is primarily in English and about research >>> published in English". I understand that the main working language of the >>> WMF is English, as this mailing list is, but I would assume that an Award >>> promoted by the WMF should be multilingual. >>> > >>> > Sorry. Let me clarify. What I was referring to when I used >>> > WikiResearch in my email was the WikiResearch twitter account: >>> > https://twitter.com/WikiResearch . I did not intend to refer to the >>> > WMF Research team or Wikimedia Research community. And to repeat: this >>> > is one source we use to find research done on the Wikimedia projects. >>> > There are other sources as I mentioned in my response. >>> > >>> > > Me, as a Basque Wikimedians User Group member, I promote Wikimedia >>> activities in Basque language, because that is our goal. But the WMF is not >>> the English Wikimedians User Group, as far as I understand. Our designated >>> lingua franca may be English, but the WMF can't exclude research that is >>> not made in this language from an Award. I would understand if the >>> (non-existing) English Wikimedians User Group created the "EWUG Research in >>> English Award of the Year", but is not the case. >>> > >>> > I understand and acknowledge your point about inclusion. I hope some >>> > of the points I shared about our existing process in my other email >>> > can help you find possible solutions we can consider doing. :) On my >>> > end: I have a todo to come back to you all. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Leila >>> > >>> > > Cheers, >>> > > >>> > > Galder >>> > > >>> > > ________________________________ >>> > > From: Leila Zia <[email protected]> >>> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:04 PM >>> > > To: [email protected] < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]>; >>> Discussion list for the Wikidata project. <[email protected]> >>> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] Re: The Wikimedia >>> Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations >>> > > >>> > > Hi all, Thank you for your feedback. I take your comments as a sign >>> of >>> > > genuine care and I'm happy to engage and learn with you how we can do >>> > > better. (Note: I'm responding to all lists, though some of the >>> > > feedback has been sent only to wikimedia-l.) >>> > > >>> > > * Galder, Gereon, Xavier, Gnangarra, and Andy: thank you for your >>> feedback. >>> > > >>> > > * Andy, I'll respond to your comment first. We do not require the >>> work >>> > > to be published under a free license for us to consider it for the >>> > > award. However, if the work is shortlisted, we reach out to the >>> > > authors, tell them that it's shortlisted, and it can be considered >>> for >>> > > the award if the work is at least made publicly available. At that >>> > > point, we also encourage the authors to publish under a free license >>> > > and share with them a few ways they may be able to (even if the work >>> > > is published somewhere already with restrictions). The issue of >>> > > licenses is on top of our mind and we actively look for ways to push >>> > > for more Wikimedia research work to be published under free licenses. >>> > > >>> > > * I am going to share with you some of my thoughts, and a possible >>> > > improvement we can make in the process. >>> > > >>> > > ** Let's try to keep things simple to be able to improve things >>> > > together. This is not a case of "WMF did x". The idea of the award >>> was >>> > > created in the Research team, and both last year and this year, we've >>> > > been grateful to have the support of researchers outside of WMF for >>> > > it. (Aaron Shaw (Northwestern University), and Benjamin Mako Hill (U. >>> > > of Washington)). I take full responsibility for the execution of the >>> > > award and I can take your feedback and see where we can improve the >>> > > process. :) >>> > > >>> > > ** In order to be able to improve the process, I should share more >>> > > details about how we do the search for the publications first. We >>> have >>> > > multiple sources for searching for research published in a given >>> year: >>> > > 1. The nomination process we shared on this thread. >>> > > 2. Research publications shared in WikiResearch twitter account. >>> > > 3. External research search engines and repositories for different >>> > > fields: we use scholar.google.com, dblp.org and more. >>> > > >>> > > To give you a sense of the distribution of scholarly publications we >>> > > identified last year from each of the above sources: 11 nominations >>> > > and 170+ research publications through the twitter account and >>> > > external searches. The award chairs (2 people; this year it is going >>> > > to be Mako and I) reviewed all identified publications. We discussed >>> > > every publication at varying depth depending on the result of our >>> > > initial reviews. >>> > > >>> > > ** Knowing the process, there are at least a few ways I think the >>> > > process must be improved. I'm sure now that you see more you can >>> > > critique even more. :) I proactively share with you some of them >>> here: >>> > > ::* I need to have an easychair account to nominate. That can/must >>> > > change (but to what? we want these nominations to be private, and we >>> > > need a way to be able to process them efficiently because we're only >>> 2 >>> > > people. We are considering openreview.net for the future years >>> because >>> > > they're open source; but they still have other limitations. For this >>> > > year, easychair it is.). >>> > > ::* We need more people on the committee: both for workload sharing, >>> > > and also including more perspectives. (This is /a lot/ to ask of >>> > > researchers. I'm grateful that Mako and Aaron have supported us in >>> the >>> > > past.) >>> > > ::* We need other non-English sources to source community research. >>> > > (WikiResearch is primarily in English and about research published in >>> > > English.) >>> > > ::* The shared language of reviewers is assumed to be English. If we >>> > > are going to at scale consider other languages, then we need a way >>> > > that this group of people can converse on academic topics with one >>> > > another without having to share a language. >>> > > >>> > > ** I also understand the reality of the resources available to me and >>> > > our team. I understand the importance of working on multiple fronts >>> > > with regards to the research community (Wikimedia Research Funds, >>> Wiki >>> > > Workshop, global research competitions, research showcases, monthly >>> > > office hours, talks and presentations, formal collaborations, and >>> > > more). I believe in the importance of motivation (and we have seen a >>> > > very good momentum around the award idea from last year's run). We >>> > > need to do many things, with very limited resources; Our values and >>> > > ideals are important and we have to attempt to hold them all as we >>> > > make decisions. In practice, sometimes we can't meet all the >>> ambitions >>> > > we have. We need to make trade-offs. What is important is to be >>> aware, >>> > > to listen, to try to improve, and to be honest. >>> > > >>> > > I will leave you with the above and I commit to talk with Mako to >>> > > consider ways to open up the process for more languages to be >>> included >>> > > (in 2021 or in 2022+; I can't promise changes for the 2021 process.). >>> > > One of us will write back here with what we decide to do. >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Leila >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:42 AM Andy Mabbett < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > =Eligibility criteria= >>> > > > >>> > > > > * The publication must be available in English. >>> > > > >>> > > > I echo others' concerns about this. >>> > > > >>> > > > I'm equally concerned that, while WMF regard being in English as >>> > > > essential for one of their awards, they do not regard the use of an >>> > > > open licence as a requirement. >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Andy Mabbett >>> > > > @pigsonthewing >>> > > > https://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list -- >>> [email protected] >>> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > > Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/OOQOYTEXTIUEFZNU636I3UMQLFBK7A7H/ >>> > > To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > > Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/TZLPDY4SJW3LRT5OFR6ORXS5ZFMSV6XM/ >>> > > To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/CQUZB2G35KQM6KCYWMTD77CG226NK5QE/ >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/GAUENZS6G43BVUOT2C76F3KFAUR2UO4B/ >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >> >> -- >> Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > Patricio Lorente > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
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