from Wayne: Hey Randy,
Well said -- You've captured the spirit and success of wiki communities. Ultimately -- whatever models individuals or collectives adopt, they will be the most successful ones. We are able to achieve this because everything we develop in WE is open, transparent and encourages adaptation and refinement for local contexts. L4C will is a learning project in many respects - our WikiEducator family is committed to achieving success and the dialogue is ongoing. What makes this project exciting and meaningful is the fact that we are all pioneers. Collectively we are building the future -- each one of us. Look forward to seeing our new WE family members in the real wiki environment as opposed to the workshop discussions on this list. Welcome aboard everyone! Cheers On Feb 15, 2008 3:42 PM, wikirandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Note: CrossPosting from L4C-1 Workshop > > > Hi Kim and Wayne, > > When I first saw this email, I thought it was an excellent one > (Kim's): one that showed a lot of thought and caring for our community > in it. I certainly didn't want to cheapen it in any way by the brevity > of my response - I do tend to write short emails. > > I think a dedicated page for success indicators is very > important...but I also think that it's important to make sure that > "indicators" don't force us into a closed space nor, separate folks > into two camps: the ones creating the indicators, and the ones that > have to live up to them.. > > The more I learn about self-organizing systems and complexity, the > more I realize that this WikiEd effort can benefit from some level of > prescription (i.e., you have to abide by X, Y, or Z), and the dialogue > between the gaps that is hard to predict where it will go... The > important thing, is that it is happening... > > So, what I'm saying is, that we need to encourage and welcome > thoughts, ideas, suggestions and modifications from any and all who > are interested in discussing this - regardless of where they are as > Newbie, WikiBuddy or WikiMaster. Wayne, yes - I know that this is > implicit and the WikiWay, but I think it is necessary that it is > explicit and we - who are further along in our use of WikiEducators > than perhaps others - this is our obligation to reach out on many > levels to others in our community, and engage them in such important > discourse. > > One of the outcomes of the L4C workshops, would be a strengthened > dialogue among WikiBuddies about these types of issues...because to > me, WikiEd is far more than creating content, it is a family, in a > neighbourhood, which is connected to multiple communities that spans > many boundaries. > > - Randy > > On Feb 15, 3:33 pm, "Randy Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > There is an exciting discussion thread taking place in L4C-1, and we'd > like > > to cross post it on WikiEducator Main groups, and continue the > discussion > > there. > > > > - Randy > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Wayne Mackintosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM > > Subject: Reflections from a L4C participant > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hi Kim & friends > > > > PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL -- IT CONTAINS IMPORTANT REFECTIONS ON BUILDING > OUR > > WIKIEDUCATOR FAMILY. > > > > Thanks for the detailed reflections, thoughts and suggestions. This > > demonstrates the power of community approaches -- together we are able > to > > improve through reiterative cycles of improvement. > > > > I hope you don't mind -- but I've created a new thread from your post. > This > > is important stuff and others from the group may want to add their > thoughts > > in helping us get better. This will help us in building a thriving > > international community of WikiEducators in realisation of our aim of a > > libre curriculum by 2015! > > > > I provide my specific responses in text below. > > > > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 10:18 +0200, Kim Tucker wrote: > > > > Hi Wayne (and all), > > Thanks Wayne et al for running the Learning4Content Pilot,and thanks > > to participants for the comments and conversations. > > > > Thanks Kim -- much appreciated. > > > > I looked at the last few tasks last night and added a link to my > > contribution (additions to [[Libre knowledge]]). > > > > This is an important resource and adds considerable value to our > > understanding of free/libre knowledge. > > > > As always, your enthusiasm is contagious and that is one of the > keyingredients. > > > > The inspiration comes for the community -- WikiEducator is by far the > most > > rewarding and meaningful project of my career. It's great waking up in > the > > morning thinking -- What can I contribute to WikiEducator today? > Judging by > > the web-site trafic and edits in our project -- I know that there are > many > > others who think the same <smile>. > > > > I found the number of e-mails a little overwhelming and did not > > readmany of them.So probably lost out on some great insights! > > > > Kim that's a good point -- there has been quite a bit of traffic and I > know > > that it can be overwhelming, particularly when you're trying to clear > your > > inbox from your regular work mail. Its been a tough call -- large > groups > > generate email traffic. That said WE does not want to turn anyway away > from > > free training. mmmm thinking here -- Google groups has an option to > edit > > membership settings where folk can decide how they would like to > particpant. > > Eg. via the web alone or single email per day etc. I'll work on a set > of > > instructions showing folk how to do this -- which may help in managing > the > > traffic on the list. > > > > I'm afraid the missing great insights will always be a risk -- that's > life > > <smile>. > > > > Perhaps a summary of great insights about wiki learning from each > > coursecould be written up?If I had time I would volunteer to do this > > ... alternatively we could have a [[Gems of insight on wiki learning]] > > pageto list those one-liners (e.g. "Every edit counts" :-). The page > > could be progressively structured. > > > > Yeah -- In would really like to see a summary of great insights and or a > > collation of sorts emerge from this list. Are there any other folk on > the > > list who would be interested in helping to write up a summary based on > the > > list. This could be done in WikiEd as an ongoing project taking into > account > > that there will be a few more workshops. Any volunteers? > > > > Several questions arise from a research perspective and with respect > > toreporting back to investors.You have probably thought about all of > > these before, but anyway: > > > > Hey -- these are an amazing set of questions. I've set up a new page > linked > > our resources list which will hopefully grow with the L4C project. I'll > > post copies of my responses to this page and hope that the community > will > > add their reflections and new questions to the list. See: > > > > http://wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Resources/Measuring_success > > > > * How do we measure success? > > > > The WikiEducator project is successful when we have achieved a > > self-sustaining ecosystem. Performance indicators include: > > > > - Financial contributions from institutions to support the technical > > infrastructure of the WikiEducator project > > - In kind contributions where institutions allocate staff time or > full > > time equivalents (FTEs) to the development of educational resources. > Thus > > time spent on WikiEducator is recognised is an official > responsibility in > > the respective work plans and job descriptions of selected staff. > > - Educational institutions incorporate training in using WikiEducator > > as part of their official professional development programmes > > - The number of learning hours in official courses using teaching > > materials developed on WikiEducator. > > - Measuring the conversion rate of active contributors in > > WikiEducator. That is, increasing the ratio of active contributors > expressed > > in terms of the number of user accounts in WikiEducator > > > > - When the L4C project started our conversion rate of active > > contributors was about 10% of registered account holders in > WikiEducator. > > - Appropriately 30% of registered participants for the L4C pilot > > workshop submitted Learning Contracts. Hopefully the conversion rate > of > > active contributors will increase as a result of the requirement to > produce > > a teaching resource for the project. > > > > How do we measure successful completion and progress of L4C > participants? > > > > - The ratio of participants who attain the certification of WikiBuddy > > - The ratio of learning contracts successfully completed > > > > ** What is realistic to expect of the people who register for such a > > course?*** For many, the pressure of deadlines, and the immediate > > pressures atwork, make even the 20 minutes required per day > > inaccessible.**** What percentage of registrants should get how far? > > Or do we onlyneed to count the number of people who complete the > > exercises? > > > > Good questions -- see my initial thoughts above. > > > > ***** Sometimes the contribution of people who know no more than how > > to edit text pages is highly significant. > > > > I agree entirely -- we need to think about what this contributions are, > how > > we will know about them and how to measure them. I'd welcome thoughts > and > > ideas -- please post these on the relevant wiki page: > > > > http://wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Resources/Measuring_success > > > > Here I'm thinking about folk who become WikiAmbassadors and record their > > ambassadorial work - see: > > > > http://wikieducator.org/Ambassadors > > > > Also, managers and leaders who take the initiative to host a L4C > workshop by > > providing access to their computer lab is another good example. > > > > ** How do we measure the contributions of individuals? Is there a way > > togenerate abstracted data from all the "my contributions" of the > > peoplewho have contributed to a set of pages?*** e.g. on WikiVersity > > we are planning a competition for contributorsto the Social > > Entrepreneurship initiative, and '''possibly''' a similarcompetition > > on WikiEducator for our "Innovate" conference later this year.* How do > > we build teacher/learner communities around specific clustersof > > learning resources? > > > > I think we need to focus energies here on the respective country pages. > This > > is the place where countries organise themselves into one or more > > national *WikiEducator > > Teams:* > > > > http://wikieducator.org/Countries > > > > ** Perhaps an exercise at the end of the course would be to have > > theusers tag their user pages from a selection of tags (with the > > option ofcreating new ones): e.g. [[Category:Physics Teacher]], > > [[Category:Biologylearner]], etc. > > > > We've got a few ideas here -- I'll be implementing a new Personal > Infobox -- > > which apart from the certification of Wiki skills will also encourage > folk > > to add tags to their page. Kim, I really like the idea of > [[Category:Physics > > Teacher]]. We need to develop a set of User boxes for this see the link > to > > user boxes from here: > > > > http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Infoboxes > > > > * What is a reasonable ratio of facilitators : learners in such a > > course?** Having such short exercises and a low pressure programme > > (20-30 mins/day) isconsistent with how we might expect WikiEducator to > > develop (mostly): many peoplemaking small contributions. > > > > That's a good question. Typically in online forums like this, ideally > you > > would not want to exceed a ratio of 30:1. But hey -- as a volunteer > project, > > I'm more than happy to facilitate groups numbering in the hundreds > <smile>. > > On more serious note we are looking for facilitators to help. We have > posted > > a bounty looking for faciliators -- see: > http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Bounties > > > > So if anyone in the group would like to become a facilitator, or you > know > > someone who would like to help -- please encourage them to submit an > > expression of interest. > > > > All in all the experience was useful, even though I already knew how > > todo most of the editing tasks. I may register for future courses to > > beable to tap into some of the insights shared if I may.We might need > > some extra venues to directpeople if they detract from the focus of > > learning how to useWikiEducator - i.e. some extra talk/discussion > > pages on things like "quality", ordebates around the success of wikis > > in education, etc. > > > > Good suggestions Kim -- at the very least we should encourage > participants > > to join the main WIkiEducator list. I'll be posting a separate message > about > > this soon. > > > > Cheers for now and thanks again > > Kim > > > > -- > > ________________ > > Randy Fisher aka "Wikirandy for WikiEducator" > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Wikirandy > > > > + 1 604.684.2275 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Skype: wikirandy- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ________________ Randy Fisher aka "Wikirandy for WikiEducator" http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Wikirandy + 1 604.684.2275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hirerandy.com Skype: wikirandy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
