hey joyce , thank you for the explanation and case study very helpful but still , let us play the role playing game , if i were a future student ( namely joseph ) jerry is not a real person . jerry want to go to university in US , however jerry is from asia , so if he want to do that , he can go to university who have the working connections with schools in US , so he doesnot have to go to US , so he can still get US or UK degree but he can study in china or other places which is near to his home country , do you think it is even saving more cost ??
and for other people , say a girl names Mary ( sorry this is not a Xmas story ) , she is from US , she would like to come to china , however she would also like to go to china not only for travelling , but also getting a degree at the same time , so if a chinese school can offer a place so that Mary can come to china to study , she can get the credit , meanwhile she is also get the internatoinal experience of studying aborad . For me , the OER university should be a concept which is based on so called web2.0 technology , like wikieducator , which is just the time to help people who canot afford the costs , but in a lower cost , however also getting the good quality of teaching and support from schools . i think the next step , is we should not only thinking less about technology , but start to look for more of the good people and university and even good bussiness model or non-bussiness model as well . and instead of just looking at the credit regonization , but also looking at , where are the future students ? Joyce , you are making such a good point abt self -direct learning , which from my work , i found very important and practical as well let WE work together to move this forward ! 2011/2/16 <[email protected]> > Hi Leo and everyone: I too am not sure where and when to hook into this > conversation. I am probably literally a day late because I am in the US and > I believe it is now February 17 in NZ... > > At any rate in answer to Leo's question about the win-win for the OER > University and other institutions, Empire State College of the State > University of New York where I have worked for a total of twelve years, has > always offered students the opportunity to apply for Prior Learning > Assessment and receive up to 96 credits for self-directed learning, learning > from other institutions, or pre-evaluated learning from places like the US > military...OER is ideal for enabling students to do college level > self-directed learning that could then be turned into college credit. The > win for Empire State is that degree seeking students must then complete at > least 32 credits with us. The win for the students is obvious...a > well-recognized, fully accredited degree from the State University of New > York. SUNY/Empire State College is celebrating its 40th year. This is a > model that works and would work even better if intentionally linked to the > OER University. It is also a model that could be replicated by college's > like yours around the world. Dr. Joyce S. McKnight, Tenured Assistant > Professor, SUNY/Empire State College. > > [email protected] wrote: ----- > > To: [email protected] > From: Wayne Mackintosh > Sent by: [email protected] > Date: 02/16/2011 03:33AM > Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] The cornerstone of the OER university - > Credible qualifications > > > Hi Leo, > > Informal learners are free to learn from OER hosted on the open web. The > problem is that these learners who wish to obtain formal qualifications are > unable to do so. The purpose of the "OER university" concept is to provide > pathways for formal academic credit for both "informal" and "formal" > students to obtain credible qualifications. > > I agree -- all learners should have the opportunity to gain credible > degrees. The point I was making is that the "OER university" concept places > a high priority on the quality of learning and that an credential obtained > through OER learning materials must be of equal standing as a degree > obtained through traditional university enrolment. > > You institution is free to provide degrees using OER materials and I hope > they will do this in the future. The win situation is that through > collaboration among institutions in the formal sector, we can become more > effective by saving costs in the development of high quality learning > materials. > > Still lots of work and thinking to be done about the OER university concept > and this is the kind of reflection and critical questioning needed to > achieve success. > > Cheers > Wayne > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Wong Leo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> so my understanding would be OER university will not mainly focus on >> informal learner , but rather on convince real university to join the >> efforts ? it will surely be good for the any free learner .it is even better >> if they could get the actual credit . >> >> i am sorry if i missed anything new on scope premeeting , i am at china , >> the live meeting is always on the time when i am sleeping . where is the >> recording if there is ? >> >> however i am more intersted in finding out is there any thing new or >> really "niche " for this concept , suppose my college is willing to offer >> OER degree to future students , what is the clear win-win situation now ? >> >> leo >> >> 2011/2/16 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Apology for double posting if you're watching or participating in the SCoPE >>> pre-meeting seminar<http://scope.bccampus.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=8738>for >>> the OER university -- but I think this is important in defining our >>> "niche" contribution to evolving OER ecosystems. >>> >>> One of the SCoPE seminar participants posted a number of very pertinent >>> questions. My response may be of wider interest. If not -- delete now :-). >>> >>> Cheers >>> Wayne >>> >>> >>> On the OER university <http://wikieducator.org/OER_university> page >>> there are two graphics we're using to help structure our thinking -- I'm >>> sure these will change and improve as we move forward, especially after >>> input from the SCoPE seminar and the meeting itself. >>> >>> However I should clearly communicate that the anchor partners (i.e. >>> Athabasca University, the University of Southern Queensland, Otago >>> Polytechnic, BCcampus and the OER Foundation) working on the "OER university >>> concept" see quality assurance and institutional accreditation as the >>> cornerstone or foundation of the project. OER learners must be able to >>> attain credible qualifications which are trusted and respected. >>> >>> I should also point out that any formal education institution, who cares >>> about the educational value of sharing knowledge, who wants to join the "OER >>> university" concept is free to do so - -we're not a closed shop. >>> >>> A closing comment -- there are exemplary projects working in the sphere >>> of peer-based open and networked learning on the net, for example the P2PU >>> project. The "OER university" concept does not discount or intend to compete >>> with the value of informal networked learning or the DIY University. I think >>> we need to think about the OER landscape as an evolving ecosystem. The "OER >>> university" does not want to replicate the amazing work being done >>> internationaly to support informal learners - rather, we want to see how the >>> formal education sector can add value to realising free learning for all >>> students worldwide. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> >>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, >>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>> Founder and elected Community Council Member, >>> Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> >>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg> | >>> identi.ca<http://identi.ca/waynemackintosh> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Leo Wong >> ISSD GEM International >> -------------------------------------- >> http://wikieducator.org/User:Leolaoshi >> Global Edutech Management (GEM) <http://www.gem-intl.edu.cn> >> Skype:leolaoshi >> Malaysia number +006 010 2718251 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> *There is something very special and powerful about engaging directly >> with the real teacher and real Kids.* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> To visit the discussion forum: >> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] > > > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. > Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> > Director, International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Founder and elected Community Council Member, > Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg> | > identi.ca<http://identi.ca/waynemackintosh> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > -- Leo Wong ISSD GEM International -------------------------------------- http://wikieducator.org/User:Leolaoshi Global Edutech Management (GEM) <http://www.gem-intl.edu.cn> Skype:leolaoshi Malaysia number +006 010 2718251 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *There is something very special and powerful about engaging directly with the real teacher and real Kids.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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