On 26 Nov 2008, at 23:09, Angus McLellan wrote:

> Disambiguation pages are to make the ambiguous unambiguous. So is  
> Ireland ambiguous? I reckon the answer, as so often, would be that  
> it depends.

That would signify ambiguity.

> If you're looking for stuff on natural sciences, chances are you  
> want the island. The current situation suits just fine. Same for  
> history. Current events? The current situation is icky. Culture?  
> High culture, ok. Pop culture, probably not. Biographies? Dead  
> people handily outnumber the living, so the present setup should be  
> good, although in practice it may not be until other groups are as  
> well represented as TDs, hurlers and gaelic footballers.

So... it's ambiguous.

> In my humble opinion, this is just more old bollocks of the kind we  
> have more than enough of on topics like Macedonia.

Well, since I'm not trying to edit Macedonia, I don't care. But I am  
interested in Ireland, and we're not getting anywhere improving any  
articles because of this nomenclature dispute.

> If it's not what to call the political entity formerly known as the  
> Free State, it's British Isles versus Britain and Ireland, or some  
> nonsense with the Troubles or the Famine. Ireland an honorary  
> Eastern European subject?

That's not very helpful. That's just effing glib. Thanks. :-(

> It makes sense.

I came here looking for help to end this nightmare. We've got a decent  
proposal for sorting out the ambiguity. Right now, the nay-sayers are  
doing a good job drumming up "Oppose" votes. Mostly there is no  
argument. It's fucking tribalism and I can't stand it. They might  
"win" because they are organized. It won't solve anything and we'll be  
back here again.

Please, folks, HELP. Look at the requests to move the two pages and  
comment. That's the least you can do.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com


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