On Dec 31, 2008, at 7:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>

> My counters included an attack on whether an op-ed is really   
> secondary.  And
> also an attack on whether a self-review is really  primary.

To which my response is that, while a broad clarification of what  
primary and secondary sources actually are, and a better sense of when  
they should and shouldn't be used would be lovely, and I would support  
it whole-heartedly, the dogmatism that dominates discussion of NOR is  
sufficiently bad that it is difficult to get even the smallest of  
changes through - little yet something like that.

Incidentally, for those who have stayed away from the discussion,  
newer suggestions include the banning of any use of any source that  
requires specialist knowledge. This really is how bad our policy  
formation has gotten - there is a sincere belief that specialist  
knowledge is actually harmful to Wikipedia.

-Phil

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