In a message dated 2/15/2009 7:36:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

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[email protected] wrote:
> Indefinite blocks (until the  editor bows to random authority) for 
> "incivility" are  overboard.
> Esp. in light of the fact that the vast majority of admins  take no time
to 
> determine the cause of the incivility.
>  Many cases of "incivility" are in-my-mind completely justified.
>  Indefinite blocks do nothing but inflame the situation.
> 
> Will  Johnson
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/15/2009  11:50:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> [email protected]  writes:
>
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> No, I don't think  so.  Short  3RR blocks for incivility would be punitive
> since the logic   would be "For incivility you get a 24H block as
> punishment".  I  would  posit that a warning to the editor would suffice,
> then  based on the  asshattedness of the editor, a preventative block.
>  Unblock as soon as they  assert that they will not repeat the offense.  
>
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>
> Jon
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Jon my response was to the idea that a person would be blocked until they  
agreed that "they will not repeat the offense".
If it's a situation was a person was provoked and I'm sure all of us who've  
been around a while have situations where people are provoked, then they may  
feel like Wikipedia is just a mob gang out to "get" them.  I really don't  
like the idea of creating more long-term vandals over minor offenses.
 
In the case where a person is a problematic, repeat offender, has been  
warned several times by uninvolved admins, than a block "until you stop being 
so  
offensive" might be in order.
 
In the case where a person is mostly productive *until that fateful day*  
where they decide to add a comma to the "Palestinian rights" article (or  
whatever) and get drawn into a heated battle where they are provoked to the  
point of 
exploding, I wouldn't advocate a project position like this.  In  conflict 
situations almost anything can be taken as "incivil" and creating a  policy 
like 
this would only be used to beat up on opponents.  In my  view.
 
Will Johnson
 



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