Nothing of substance done to refute the Hattersley rubbish. Jimbo claimed to be in conversation with the paper - in truth, the paper dismissed him and Wikipedia's PR trembled from the sidelines.
Giano On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Andrew Turvey <[email protected] > wrote: > I can't speak for the Foundation, but I assure you that we at Wikimedia UK > are doing our best to defend and promote the Wikimedia projects against all > unfair criticism, including these articles. > > Personally, I thought the article would have been worse if it had omitted > the paragraph from Wikimedia UK - the damage was done in the rest of the > article which was largely derived from other sources.At least they gave us > an opportunity to say how we were responding. > > As I said before, I think the main damage has come from a trusted user who > has deceived the community over a number of years and from our controls > which were completely inadequate to deal with this. Our credibility and > reputation would be easier to defend if we could show that we were actually > doing something to improve these controls. > > I've opened a discussion at [1] - please add you comments there. > > Regards, > > [1] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Guide_to_requests_for_adminship#Sockpuppet > > > ----- "Giacomo M-Z" <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: "Giacomo M-Z" <[email protected]> > > To: "charles r matthews" <[email protected]>, "English > Wikipedia" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009 22:43:32 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Daily Mail article on Sam Blacketer case > > > > Charles says: "All that can be done with the press is to try to get > your own > > spin in there, along with what they'll print anyway." Charles is quite > > wrong; that is not all that can be done. Once can refute vociferously - > > anywhere and everywhere. Sadly though, Wikipedia and Jimbo are afraid to > do > > that, as I learnt to my cost in the "Giles Hattersley affair"- Some of > you > > may remember that Jimbo blocked me for defending his encyclopedia from a > > high profile attack. A high profile attack, incidentally, that has never > > been properly reputed. It's almost as though they are frightened of > > defending themselves - or do they just dismiss the European press, and > > indeed Europeans, as less important than the American. One can only > > speculate as to why this is? Wikipedia's governors and public relations > > people are worse than nothing; they are incompetent, amateurish is the > > kindliest thing one can say. > > > > Giano > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Charles Matthews < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > AGK wrote: > > > >> Gross inaccuracies that harm our public image? Not that I can see. > Some > > > of > > > >> the details are wrong - number of ArbCom cases for instance, but > that's > > > >> pretty irrelevant to the story or indeed our reputation. Likewise > with > > > the > > > >> relationship between Wikimedia UK and the Foundation. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Belated reply to Andrew's post of one day ago.) > > > > > > > > The article certainly doesn't give a positive impression of us. It's > > > quite > > > > clear to me that there are inaccuracies and that the article harms > our > > > > public image. Wikipedia gets quite enough stick for being "totally > > > > unreliable" (and such) without the Mail spreading incorrect > information > > > > about how we operate. > > > > > > > But that, largely, is how the press operates - without regard for the > > > impression Wikipedians would like to be given of Wikipedia. and with > > > obvious inaccuracies (often exacerbated by the efforts of subeditors > who > > > know little about the topic itself). All that can be done with the > press > > > is to try to get your own spin in there, along with what they'll print > > > anyway. > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
