On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Carcharoth<[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Magnus > Manske<[email protected]> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Durova<[email protected]> wrote: >>> You might be surprised. The biggest obstacle is that most of the people who >>> own copyrights simply don't understand wikis and free culture. They're used >>> to thinking in terms of reproduction permission, which presupposes an older >>> type of static publication. That can change; what we need to do is >>> communicate while we have the public's attention. >>> >>> Fortunately many copyrights have almost zero commercial value. When >>> individuals hold those copyrights they often regard it as flattering that a >>> site such as Wikipedia could use them. Think of it in terms of someone >>> whose aunt was an Olympic bronze medalist decades ago: photographs of her >>> would be treasured within the family, but elsewhere she's just a name on a >>> long list of athletes. >>> >>> The default action that people take when they discover Wikipedia would >>> publish their photos is to offer permission. When we try to answer 'that >>> doesn't work, you need to go to OTRS and...' nine times out of ten their >>> eyes glaze over and they wander away. They simply don't comprehend. We >>> need to stop being defeatist and get serious about commuincating on a >>> broader scale that yes, these things are possible. The solutions are >>> simple, but they require a paradigm shift. >> >> Some time ago, I had started implementing a way for people to mail >> pictures in. These would then end in a staging area on the toolserver, >> and wiki(p|m)edians could then ask back for more information (e.g. >> description), or push them through to Commons. The mails would be >> stored on the toolserver as a papertrail. >> >> However, I was told that this would interfere with/duplicate effort of >> OTRS, so I stopped. > > Any way to measure how effective the OTRS method is versus other > methods? And which route is more effective in getting people engaged > and actually submitting pictures? There is a need to cross the t's and > dot the i's, so OTRS might still be needed to handle the paperwork, > but the entry level needs to be lower to avoid discouraging people.
Questions: * If I were to mail an image to OTRS, stating what it is, when and where it was taken, stating the author, and the license, would it go through to Commons? * How long would this take? * If 500 people were to mail in 2 pictures each day like this, would the system cope? If the answers are "yes, quickly, yes", why not put up a prominent page with OTRS email on it, and spam^W inform some photography wikis/forums/mailing lists? Magnus _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
