Subject-Was: Blocking / Moderation Okay, so lets properly open the topic. How would anyone go about getting participants in a dispute to subscribe to this list or any other?
"Bod Notbod" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Stevertigo: > >> And of course this violating concept appears to be indemic wherever >> people feel they can neglect transparency - as mandated in their own >> mandates, perhaps - making their deliberations in private and giving >> people only decrees and motions. Wales, who was for a long time our >> most upstanding proponent of openness, and who made it a point to deal >> personally and openly with nearly every issue that came up - on this >> very list, as a matter of fact - would be quite unhappy with this >> trend. > > I like transparency too. > > It makes me pause to wonder whether a dispute resolution mailing list > is actually against the grain of that. I've only recently signed up to > a couple of the mailing lists as I intend to get (and am getting) more > involved with Wikipedia. These lists have a pretty low profile, I'd > say. That is rectifiable to some degree. Someone could make a userbox for subscribers that includes both nntp and e-mail methods of access. If it propagates anything like the basic grammar boxes, then we might double subscription in a year. > Whilst these mailing lists are, I believe, open for everyone to join, > it still strikes me as a bit of a back door: I would have thought it > far more transparent to deal with all dispute resolution on the wiki > itself where people can see what's going on (and people can place > relevant links easily) rather than in an email list which is going to > have a rather different audience. It does naturally hav a different audience, and I think your perception of how many people DO see a dispute when there is one just because they CAN see a dispute is a bit at odds with reality. I know of one that I've pretty much let rest, because I do not think any of the three participants will remember it, either. > To put it another way, if I were an editor in dispute with someone > else and I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list and I become aware > the other person was discussing it there, I think I'd rightly feel > that there was something "going on" in a sort of conspiratorial way > and that a conscious effort had been made to circumvent tackling my > points. My method of engaging administrators probably should hav included an invitation to join the list, or a request to see discussion of my case on unblock-l. Hindsight. I did not like any of their slack research on me, anyway. > The wiki (en, at least) doesn't seem short of ways and means to deal > with disputes. I'm somewhat sceptical about the motivation in creating > a new channel for disputes that requires all parties to sign up for an > email service to be fully cognisant of where that dispute is heading. That goes back to my orijinal question. How would anyone go about getting participants in a dispute to sign up for wikien-l , unblock-l, or any other? There are reciprocal links you could make. I used to make bookmarks to USENET discussions with NNTP URLS and post them to my website. Now, I am more prone to post search URLS there. *If you can find an article here on the gmane web server, then you can pull a permalink out of it and post that to wikipedia*. Everything slick takes a right click. _______ news://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.english _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
