> the arbitration committee have tended to take the view that > incivility alone is not a reason to remove the admin toolbox and flag.
Oh, I get it--precedent interferes with my idea. > But yes, I've always followed Spider-Man, and thought that with > great power comes great responsibility. This is exactly my point. If somebody has privileges, then they have that *much more responsibility* to act in a civil matter. Emily On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Surreptitiousness wrote: > I don't disagree at al', but the arbitration committee have tended to > take the view that incivility alone is not a reason to remove the > admin > toolbox and flag. Our selection process for crats actually seems to > work very well, because they seem to handle themselves well, and when > there is a problem, they tend to fall on their swords, which in one > sense is a good thing. I don't have much experience with Stewards, > though. But yes, I've always followed Spider-Man, and thought that > with > great power comes great responsibility. > > Emily Monroe wrote: >> Hmm. What about somebody who has privileges? >> >> Clearly somebody who has non-admin rollback (like myself) may or may >> not have it removed. It would depend if the person being incivil is >> using the rollback to be incivil. Non-admin rollback is a position of >> trust, but not a lot of trust. >> >> An admin, steward, or bureaucrat, on the other hand, may have their >> privileges taken away. If you are in such a position, you're in a >> position of not just trust, but *trust*. Incivility takes away that >> trust. >> >> People may disagree with me, though. I get that. >> >> Emily >> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Surreptitiousness wrote: >> >> >>> Emily Monroe wrote: >>> >>>>> It's a basic reality of life as an adult that employees with >>>>> perfect >>>>> work product but terrible attitudes are often terminated; their >>>>> own >>>>> work is fine, but their presence disrupts the work of others. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I agree. I sincerely believe that civility blocks are necessary. >>>> Not >>>> as a punishment, or a chance to "cool down", but as a way to say >>>> "Your >>>> attitude is disrupting Wikipedia, and preventing it from improving. >>>> Come back in [12/24 hours/a week/a month/whatever] and we'll give >>>> you >>>> another chance, and not many more." >>>> >>>> Emily >>>> >>>> >>> I agree emphatically. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
