On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Ray Saintonge <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anthony wrote: > > And it's not a primary source. "In historiography, a primary source > (also > > called original source) is a document, recording, artifact, or other > source > > of information that was created at the time under study, usually by a > source > > with direct personal knowledge of the events being described." Social > > security didn't even exist in 1904, so clearly this information was not > > created in 1904. > > > > The requirement that Social Security Numbers of newborn children appear > on a tax return is relatively recent. Before 1989 the person applied > himself. > I thought your parents could still apply for you back then, but maybe I'm wrong. Nowadays they don't quite force you to get them but you can't claim any tax deductions/credits/etc without them. But even today I'm not sure it's a primary source. It's generally a secondary source, which is based on your birth certificate, which is the primary source. (And there are plenty of exceptions to that - not everyone has a birth certificate, after all.) It's just a bad secondary source, because it presents conclusions without backing those conclusions up with explanations. Still, probably worthy of a mention if it contradicts others sources which are presented in the article, and isn't proven to be incorrect by any of those other sources. (But how do you come up with a hard and fast rule about that? I don't think you can.) On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Anthony <[email protected]> wrote: > > If they're available. But what if they're not? Is it okay to mention > that > > the contradictory information exists? > > > > I doubt you're going to come up with a hard and fast rule which doesn't > have > > any unintended consequences. Ultimately, the fact that "everyone can > edit" > > ensures a system of "verifiability, not truth". > > > > You're absolutely right, availability is an issue. But if we have a > hard and fast rule the other way and say sources like the SSDI are > okay, then there's no incentive to look for that secondary source > which does explain the issue. We might, in rare cases, settle for the > SSDI if absolutely necessary, but not without a reasonable search, > which in this particular case clearly hadn't been done. > Right, the problem cuts both ways. The best source, it seems, would be a reliable secondary source which details the primary sources it relies upon and explains why it has come to the conclusions it has come to about them. But that's not always available. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
