At wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org ? Perhaps, but hard to start over from the beginning.
Fred > Should not this discussion be held on he maillist for English wikipedia? > > There is not much, if any, of what is being discussed that I can > recognize from my home wp > > Anders > > > > Fred Bauder skrev 2013-09-05 13:18: >> That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a >> mentor is kind of hard nowdays as there are so many users who might >> help >> but probably will not. On the other hand, many requests I have received >> and looked into are from people who are making trouble themselves; >> sometimes very serious trouble. Giving a second chance to someone who >> has >> been banned by the community after extended discussion seldom works out >> well. But that's not a newbie who has run into serious trouble just for >> making jokes about Windoze... >> >> Fred >> >>> It is very laudable if you, Peter, tries and help newbies and others >>> that >>> are harassed by other users. >>> >>> I however don't think it is enough in a worldwide organization that >>> you >>> have to rely on volunteers and that these will intervene. >>> >>> As I see it, if you start such an organization you must also take on >>> the >>> responsibilities that follows. >>> You can't just duck and pretend that you can hand over all problems to >>> the users. >>> >>> I still think that an international organization like the Wikis >>> demands >>> an instance to which mistreated and mobbed users can turn. An instance >>> with the responsibility that normal rules in a society are upheld and >>> with the authority to uphold them. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Lars Gardenius >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Von: Peter Gervai <grin...@gmail.com> >>> An: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> Gesendet: 10:50 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 >>> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from >>> itself >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Lars Gardenius >>> <lars.garden...@yahoo.de> >>> wrote: >>>> No I don't think it is being addressed. Not in a serious way. >>> You mean it's not _solved_. Indeed. >>> >>> At least one problem was mentioned in the thread which is that the >>> (honest, knowledgeable) newbies have unproportionally smaller >>> debating/lobbying power than aboriginals, and they are very easy to >>> oppress. This is an ongoing problem for the last decade or so and no >>> good solution seem to exist. >>> >>> In theory there are (or could be) volunteers who could be called in >>> cases of newbie oppression from the experienced troll^H^H^H^Heditors >>> who would declare that they try to act as neutral as possible but they >>> would possess more experience to handle obnoxious editors and other >>> regual beings. Arbitration, mentoring, whatever we like to call it. >>> Obviously it only worked if there's a free way to reject a request (if >>> the volunteer believes the newbie has no merits, let's not call them >>> outright trolls and vandals) and if it isn't an "official" cabal but a >>> large catalog of helpful and experienced editors. >>> >>> I have often done it (and still occasionally do on Commons since it's >>> a pretty harsh environment for newbies) and it's doable if there's >>> enough volunteers and people don't try to do it too often, I mean, one >>> in a week or month or so. >>> >>> The point is to have a group of random people who are not involved in >>> the debate but could help to communicate with the members of the >>> community. (Since they're uninvolved it's probably useless to call >>> them biased, which is the easiest unargument I've seen in such >>> debates.) >>> >>> g >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l