OK, just to clarify: 2011/7/22 Hubert <[email protected]>
> Am 22.07.2011 12:01, schrieb Lodewijk: > > Hi Hubert, > > > > thanks for summarizing your ideas. The actual situation will be a little > > different most likely. I had a short chat with Maarten yesterday, and it > > seems like the upload form progress is going well. Don't pin me down on > > details, but this should give an idea.� > > > > 1. We will indeed be able to use the new upload wizard > > hi Lodewijk, > We do not care which upload-Form we will use, important for us is the > possibility to handover predefined informations. > > > 2. There will be a 'campaign' for each country. For example the campaign > > 'wlm-ch' > The same in Austria, but this will be part of my next efforts, what > possibilities we have, especially if and how we are able to place > category-related banner inside Wikipedia. > > > 3. Each campaign will be translated into several languages (always make > > English available for tourists!), for example uselang=en > > 4. It will not be possible to call a database during the upload process.� > I know it. Therefor our solution, using informations directly from the > Tables. > > 5. The user will provide the identifier of the object in the form > This is exactly, what we will avoid. What happens, if the User have no > idea, where he will get the ID? This is, in my opinion, the first weak > point in the system. > Last year we did this too, and it worked quite well. We had several methods explained how they could find the identifier - through Wikipedia's lists, through a map with all the monuments on it (using the coordinates) or in another way. I believe someone was working on making it possible to query the database too etc. Maarten (or someone else) might be able to give more details. We can provide a link to that within the form. If we can transfer the identifier with the url, we could prefill it. But that assumes they already look it up on beforehand. > > 6. Information like categories, object names etc can be added later with > > a bot, based on this identifier. > Unless we have to do with computer-affinity users, this will be no > problem, because the latter will find the user ID. But what happens to > those, the computer (and Wikipedia) is not more than a simple tool and > not familiar with Alt-tab or Ctrl-tab having problems with several > browser-tabs at the same time? Seniors? Pupils? > OK, I was not clear here I guess. Some volunteers will add this information with a bot for /all/ uploads, based on the database (which is again based on the wikipedia lists). If you are a pupil, then don't worry - just upload and we will take care of the rest. > > My own experience with Commons was, that I tried three times, unless I > uploaded my first picture successfully. But I am Wikipedian since 2004 > with 80.000 edits! > > > 7. Whether prefilling based on the url is possible or not is to be found > > out.� > > > Yes. We demonstrated one single possibility, which is - of course - > optimized for austrian monument lists. > > I know this is not perfect, but this seems to be the best we can > > realistically aim for right now. What would be very very helpful by the > > way is if someone could hack a special Commonist together. Removing all > > the unnecessary fields, tweaking it for WLM and make mass uploading that > > way easier.� > jepp. > > > Hubertl. > > > Lodewijk > > > > 2011/7/22 Hubert <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > We can summarize the yesterday discussion and > Upload-form-demonstration, > > I think we all agree so far: > > > > An enormously important point for the entire project WLM is the > ability > > to simplify the uploading process for the participants of the photo > > contest. Basically, this is quiet easy to create, but we must > emphasize > > the following: > > > > 1. Before any participation is the registration - the actual > situation > > is not reduceable. > > > > indeed > > � > > > > > > 2. To the participants it must be given some specific requirements > > without choice: That is: "Own work" as well as the predefined > license. > > > > yup > > � > > > > > > 3. Thus there remains only that the participants upload his image and > > the ability, to give a personal description (if desired). > > > > Upload the image and give identifier (either prefilled or not) > > � > > > > > > That's all from the perspective of the participant. Our perspective > > results in further, much more important considerations: > > > > 1. We need to identify the images - The easiest way is a country code > > and the object ID as a minimal setting. > > > > Country code: campaign (which form do you use) > > ID: identifier field > > � > > > > > > 2. To reduce further work from our side, the images should be > > categorized at the same time while the upload-process takes place, > but > > this requires a good category management, which at least will assume > the > > category-system from Wikipedia to Commons. > > > > This will have to happen with a bot.� > > � > > > > > > 3. In addition, we should automatically hand over as much information > as > > possible (or necessary). This is: name of the object, address of the > > object (district, town name, adress), geographic coordinates, perhaps > > also an existing short description of inside the monument-tables. But > > that presupposes the access to the upload-form directly from > Wikipedia > > (cultural monument tables). > > > > This will have to happen after uploading with a bot.� > > � > > > > > > 4. Images of cultural objects, which are not officially designated > > cultural monuments (and therefore not included in the lists) can be > > uploaded via the parish or other articles, thus we need an > > Community-Code �as the ID key, zip code, an the country code as a > > minimum requirement. > > > > If the monument is not in the list, they can not participate in the > > contest unfortunately. At least, that is the very basis of the contest, > > if an exception to that is necessary, lets discuss that in a seperate > > thread.� > > � > > > > > > 5. We need to clarify that only images can participate in this > contest, > > which are uploaded in September. This can be regulated, so that any > > upload from the relevant pages with the special upload form is only > > possible, when this forms are unlocked on september, 1. Only with the > > upload form the object ID can be transfered. > > > > A bot can easily change templates of all uploads with the WLM template > > which are uploaded before Sept 1. No need to worry about that.� > > � > > > > > > 6. We need to ensure in Commons itself, that any uploading for the > > competition must be easily visible through a special selection of > > different forms. This requires a clear indication (banners etc) > > > > All this concerns only one aspect of the complete project, but it is > > neccessary for the persistent use of the images via Commons, as well > as > > for the assessment by the national judging panels. > > > > That implementation is possible to handover all the information with > an > > link, I demonstrated yesterday. Our task should be to explore the > > already existing links to the individual objects within Wikipedia and > to > > integrate into the overall concept. > > > > Technically that is possible yes, however it is unsure if this would > > also be possible in a simplified form. The form you used is > > unfortunately incomprehensible for most mortals. I usually suggest that > > my grandmother should be able to participate.� > > > > � > > > > > > greetings from Vienna > > > > Hubertl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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