Hello,
I would suggest to create one common category for Germany, and specific
categories for the states each with in those categorynames at least the state
(like Hessen, etc) mentioned.
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Kilian Kluge <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Top level Commons categories per country
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
<[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:11 AM
Hi Jane,
in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names for
essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural heritage
monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage monuments"), some have
both, some differentiate between three or four categories... It's already a bit
confusing on de-wp, where as a result the lists for each state have different
naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd be helpful to carry this to Commons.
Kilian
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all,I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty
important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that Bas
addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first.
This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the top level
category (see the email from Bas):Category:Cultural heritage monuments in
Andorra with known IDs
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known
IDsCategory:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage
monuments in Brussels with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments in
Estonia (with known IDs)
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known
IDCategory:Rijksmonumenten with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments
in Portugal with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with
known IDs
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDsCategory:Cultural
heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs
I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, because
they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country. The other
categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those countries. My
reasons are as follows:
1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in any
country's wikipedia.2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned
by a government agency and is covered by the European Council's international
law on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need
the formal name of the designation.
3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why have a
strangely named top-level category that no one understands (including
English-speakers)?4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be
consistent across all countries.
I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German Wikipedia,
where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is "Kategorie:Liste
(Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected it to be
"Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect
"Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the English
Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte".
Jane
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