Hi Manfred, meanwhile Wikimedia Ukraine has decided not to participate in the international contest. Doing nothing seems like the easiest thing to do, but long-term it damages the relationship with everyone involved, because there is no framework to orient themselves on.
I'm also failing to imagine the international jury awarding any prizes to Russia, given the logistical complexity, so while they can participate, promoting Russian pictures (as Wikimedia Ukraine points out) would not go down well publicly. Best, Philip On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 23:28, Manfred Werner (WMAT) < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Philip, > Finding a framework of rules seems to be necessary. As far as I know, but > I am relatively new to the team of WLM international, this is the first > time the question comes up if a country should be excluded from the > international competition. Personally I'd see that as a contradiction to > the basics of all the Wikimedia projects that aim to connect people from > all over the world and to share among all of us. As long as the organisers > are independent from political influence I see no reason to exclude them. > Until now it always was one of the goals to include as many countries as > possible. > > Regarding subnational (or also transnational) entities it very much > depends on who is organising the campaign there I think. It should at least > be a group of people. New problems may arise if a monument is "claimed" by > different groups I can imagine. On the other hand there might be situations > with difficulties that are beyond our influence. Anyway we have to be > careful (neutral and unpolitical) when trying to find regulations. > > Best, > Manfred > Am 13.12.2022 um 15:44 schrieb Philip Kopetzky: > > Betreff: > [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: Regarding the participation of Russia in Wiki > Loves Monuments 2022 > > Von: > Philip Kopetzky <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Datum: > 13.12.2022, 15:44 > > An: > [email protected], Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition > <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > Hi Ruben, > > thank for giving your reasoning - I would urge you and the team though to > establish some rules (since you mention the lack of rules around this > issue) for future competitions, since the war in Ukraine is not the only > conflict happening right now and will unfortunately not be the last one > either. > > The same goes for establishing a logic around admitting countries and > nations within certain countries. The 2030 strategy is quite clear on the > fact that equity in participation and access to resources matters, and > sticking to a country-by-country approach limits the viability of WLM for > the architectural/cultural heritage of ethnic groups within a country (or > is dependent on the benevolence of the majority group in that country) > > Best, > Philip > > On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 21:03, Rodelar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> The Wiki Loves Monuments international team has been asked if photographs >> from Russia should be allowed or excluded from participating in this year's >> international contest. We have been in contact with the organising teams of >> Wiki Loves Monuments from Ukraine and from Russia to discuss this and to >> find a solution. >> >> We greatly appreciate that the team from Ukraine has organized the local >> edition of the competition while there is war in their country! We >> understand that there are reservations against seeing images from Ukraine >> and Russia presented side by side in the galleries of nominated or winning >> pictures. >> >> The volunteer team organising Wiki Loves Monuments Russia emphasizes to >> have no ties to the Russian government or the Russian Wikimedia affiliate. >> They are submitting the 10 finalist images to the international final round >> of Wiki Loves Monuments 2022, but the occupied areas, including Crimea and >> Sevastopol, have been excluded from the Wiki Loves monuments campaign. >> Also, in Russia there is no freedom of panorama for works of art. This >> excludes, in fact, any images of monuments and statues erected since World >> War II, and which for example glorify the war, from being legally uploaded >> to Wikimedia Commons. >> >> If images from Russia are excluded because of the war in Ukraine, this >> could, without being based on a rule for the competition, set a precedent >> for other territories where there is war around the world. Rules would have >> to found, before deciding case by case, if a country should not be allowed >> to send its nominations to Wiki Loves Monuments international. >> >> With these considerations in mind, the WLM organising team does not see a >> reason to exclude the submission of Russian finalists images to the >> international final round. >> >> On behalf of the WLM 2022 organising team, >> >> Rubén Ojeda >> >> International jury coordinator, Wiki Loves Monuments 2022 >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> [email protected] >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected]http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > >
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