I will answer to the point - The answer is "YES". All Israeli Arabs, as well as Palestinians in East Jerusalem may visit the conference without a problem. There are no borders inside Israel.
Palestinians who live in the West Bank need a permit to cross the border. These need be asked for in advance but it is easier to receive such a permit than to receive a visa into Israel. Thousands of Palestianians cross the border every day to work inside Isreal. We contacted the foreign ministry and were told that such permits will be given to active wikipedians known to the foundation, if the permit is requested by them enough time in advance (now is a good time to register and request a permit). Deror ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:03:41 PM Subject: Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 60, Issue 2 Send Wikimania-l mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikimania-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Israel = apartheid (Tomer Shalev) 2. Re: Israel = apartheid (matthew satchwell) 3. Re: Israel = apartheid (Nathan) 4. Re: Israel = apartheid (Gerald A) 5. Re: Israel = apartheid (Federico Leva (Nemo)) 6. Re: Israel = apartheid (matthew satchwell) 7. Re: Israel = apartheid (Austin Hair) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:27:40 +0200 From: Tomer Shalev <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Matthew, You are most welcome to come to Haifa<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa#Demographics>and experience a city which is one of the last places in the middle-east where Jews, Christians, Muslims, Bah?'?s, Druze and people from other religious live in peace and harmony together. I would like to suggest that you accommodate in Haifa University dormitories<http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation/Dorms#Haifa_University_dorms>, and conduct your own unbiased demographic survey to challenge your axioms of apartheid. I advise you to extend your stay in Israel, and visit Nazareth and other Arab cities in Israel, and also cities in the west bank: Jericho, Nablus, Bethlehem and east Jerusalem. I encourage you to be impressed by the level of freedom, education and economics of people living there, and to compare it to the level of those living in other counties in the Middle-East and Africa. I don't want to flame this discussion further, but as a Haifa citizen I couldn't leave this unanswered. Regards, Tomer Shalev On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:50 PM, matthew satchwell <[email protected]>wrote: > Please dont hold you conference in Haifa > If so I will be obliged to boycott you > I was brought up in South Africa > > -- > Matthew Satchwell > Box 217 > Riebeek Kasteel > 7307 > 083 6610220 > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/attachments/20110331/61becc7c/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:51:46 +0200 From: matthew satchwell <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Tomer Are you telling me that Palestinians from the West Bank will be able to attend the conference unimpeded by the IDF at the apartheid wall? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Tomer Shalev <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Matthew, > > You are most welcome to come to >Haifa<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa#Demographics>and experience a city >which is one of the last places in the middle-east > where Jews, Christians, Muslims, Bah?'?s, Druze and people from other > religious live in peace and harmony together. I would like to suggest that > you accommodate in Haifa University >dormitories<http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation/Dorms#Haifa_University_dorms>, > > and conduct your own unbiased demographic survey to challenge your axioms of > apartheid. > > I advise you to extend your stay in Israel, and visit Nazareth and other > Arab cities in Israel, and also cities in the west bank: Jericho, Nablus, > Bethlehem and east Jerusalem. I encourage you to be impressed by the level > of freedom, education and economics of people living there, and to compare > it to the level of those living in other counties in the Middle-East and > Africa. > > I don't want to flame this discussion further, but as a Haifa citizen I > couldn't leave this unanswered. > > Regards, > Tomer Shalev > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:50 PM, matthew satchwell < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Please dont hold you conference in Haifa >> If so I will be obliged to boycott you >> I was brought up in South Africa >> >> -- >> Matthew Satchwell >> Box 217 >> Riebeek Kasteel >> 7307 >> 083 6610220 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -- Matthew Satchwell Box 217 Riebeek Kasteel 7307 083 6610220 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/attachments/20110331/87f57549/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:02:59 -0400 From: Nathan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:51 AM, matthew satchwell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tomer > Are you telling me that Palestinians from the West Bank will be able to > attend the conference?unimpeded by the IDF at the apartheid wall? > Did you happen to object when Wikimania was held in a corrupt, violent police state ruled by a dictator? Or a police state ruled by a single-party oligarchy? I don't recall hearing from you about the lack of freedom in those countries. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:18:26 -0400 From: Gerald A <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:51 AM, matthew satchwell <[email protected]>wrote: > > Are you telling me that Palestinians from the West Bank will be able to > attend the conference unimpeded by the IDF at the apartheid wall? > I'll AGF and trust that you missed the last time this was brought up, when the Organizers said they would do their utmost to ensure anyone who sought to attend would be allowed to do so, as well as extending invitations to persons who might be able to get the word out about the conference. I will also say that you seem to have scored a massive fail on the AGF, by not once but _twice_ using loaded language to advance what seems to be a clear political agenda. Kudos to the organizers for trying to steer a fine line and attempting to overcome the political issues and bring people together. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I definitely want to do so, but e.g. the Italian Foreign Affairs Ministry advises to alert Israelian embassies and local organizations before visiting such areas because Italian visitors are often rejected at the borders before or after visiting them.[1] Nemo [1] http://www.viaggiaresicuri.it/?israele http://www.viaggiaresicuri.it/?id=275 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:23:07 +0200 From: matthew satchwell <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is the thing with Zionists, a questions is not answered, instead a tirade of rhetoric, except I read from your response that you do accept that there is a lack of freedom in Israel. (this is a start) On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Nathan <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:51 AM, matthew satchwell > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Tomer > > Are you telling me that Palestinians from the West Bank will be able to > > attend the conference unimpeded by the IDF at the apartheid wall? > > > > Did you happen to object when Wikimania was held in a corrupt, violent > police state ruled by a dictator? Or a police state ruled by a > single-party oligarchy? I don't recall hearing from you about the lack > of freedom in those countries. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > -- Matthew Satchwell Box 217 Riebeek Kasteel 7307 083 6610220 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/attachments/20110331/33788b58/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:03:39 +0200 From: Austin Hair <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel = apartheid To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:23 PM, matthew satchwell <[email protected]> wrote: > This is the thing with Zionists, a questions is not answered, instead a > tirade of rhetoric, except I read from your response that you?do?accept that > there is a lack of freedom in Israel. (this is a start) I want to start by apologizing to the other members of this list for feeding this. You talk about a lack of freedom, Matthew, but I have to wonder about your definition. I heard nothing from you when we held Wikimania in the following countries: 2005: Frankfurt, Germany, where you can be arrested for giving a Nazi salute in public or drawing a swastika. 2006: Cambridge, Massachusetts, where you can be held without trial on terrorism charges. 2007: Taipei, Taiwan, where you can be held without trial for any reason, and with which most attendees' countries have no diplomatic relations whatsoever. 2008: Alexandria, Egypt, which was a police state until just a few weeks ago. Argentina and Poland are also not exactly bastions of freedom, and there were visa issues with both conferences. That's not unreasonable, though, since every country on the planet has visa obstacles with at least one other country. Oh, wait, that's not true. There is one, and only one: the Maldives, where you can be arrested for not being Muslim. 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