Just one small detail: *As for costs we need to remember that for many if not most travel will be > the largest part of the bill, and when you include the cost of getting > there London becomes one of our cheapest potential venues* >
Lets remember that London isn't alone in that. If the Wikimania is Europe - does not mind if is in Portugal, Spain, France, Italy Germany, Poland or the european part of Russia - the travel cost will be as cheap for other European residents. _____ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* On 27 August 2012 06:01, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]>wrote: > There is a risk of people adding too much into Wikimanias. I've been to > three Wikimania events and the most lost people I met were not those > editors who were at their first event - they fitted in well. The most lost > people I met were those who hadn't started editing yet. I'm very happy to > make time for such people, and in London we are holding events to introduce > potential editors to Wikimedia. But I don't think that such events are a > natural fit with wikimania, and I would suggest that we not promote > Wikimania to non-editors. Nor do I think that we should aim for Wikimania > to be an event for the press. Yes if there are journalists who are > interested and want to come by all means let them. Though I've yet to meet > a journalist who doesn't feel that they have some sort of professional duty > to out any Wikimedian they report on. But we shouldn't let Wikimania become > some sort of media event, though it will be difficult to avoid producing > any press releases from a Wikimania. An inwardly focussed event that > doesn't try to "raise its media profile" would be better than one that > considers press coverage to be a measure of its success. > > As for costs we need to remember that for many if not most travel will be > the largest part of the bill, and when you include the cost of getting > there London becomes one of our cheapest potential venues. We just need to > make sure that the facilities and budget accommodation are as cheap as > London (or elsewhere near Heathrow) is capable of. But with the greying of > the pedia we need to cater both for those whose idea of > basic accommodation is a room with a bed and for those who are looking for > somewhere they can stretch out a sleeping bag. > > One economy we can make based on last years Indian conference is that we > don't need WiFi everywhere. A designated WiFi free zone with coffee is a > useful part of a large meetup and it should save money if you can tell the > WiFi provider to designate the hardest coffee area to provide WiFi for as a > WiFi free zone. > > What I'd like to see in a Wikimania bid is a commitment for e-involvement > and making things as multilingual as practical. We could do this by working > with chapters and other local groups so that for topics that people want to > get involved in we repeat the session online and in requested languages > with a translator working with the presenter. > > WSC > > > On 27 August 2012 08:55, Tobias <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 08/25/2012 09:46 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> >>> Maybe the question should first be: what kind of Wikimania do we want. >>> Personally, I would be totally happy with down scaling the conference a >>> bit. Less visitors (500-600), less events and less professional. Let it >>> be more volunteer focused, and yes, perhaps also a bit more chaotic. >>> >> >> I concur and I'm glad you brought this topic up. >> >> Wikimedians are not professionals, they are volunteers. Our community >> /is/ chaotic and a bit unorganized. It's fine if Wikimania reflects that. >> >> >> That also means we can change the nature of bids: more back to basic and >>> more focus on location, venue and accomodation. >>> >> >> We should also focus on making Wikimania more affordable. If that means >> choosing cheaper locations that might be a bit less spectacular, that's >> fine with me. I've always thought the charm of Wikimania stems from its >> participants and not a particular venue. >> >> Manuel (among others) is organizing WikiCon 2012, which will start in a >> few days in Austria. The fee is only 10 Euro for the full conference (three >> days), and that even includes meals and a place to sleep in a gym. >> Last year's WikiCon was fantastic even though there was not an exotic >> venue, a beach party, a wonderful port or a disco night in the center of a >> large city. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy such events, nor that they >> aren't parts of the positive memory I have of past Wikimanias, but >> expensive and exotic events and locations should not be considered a "must" >> for future Wikimanias. >> >> Regards, >> Tobias >> >> Ps.: The WikiCon conference for german-speaking countries is a great >> example of an event between the magnitude of million-dollar-events like >> Wikimania and zero-dollar local community meetups. They work great, help to >> get to know each other in real life (and to sort out differences) as well >> as exchanging ideas and bringing the movement forward. 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