None! We'd want as many Europeans, Asians, Africans, and South Americans as are interested to join the North American regional planning meetups.
Thanks, Pharos On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: > Still I wonder: what would be the kind of topics you'd like to schedule > there that you would /not/ want non-North Americans to participate in? > > Lodewijk > > 2016-07-06 19:28 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore <[email protected]>: > >> As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North >> Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at >> Wikimanina 2017. >> >> Sydney >> >> Sydney Poore >> User:FloNight >> Wiki Project Med Foundation >> WikiWomen's User Group >> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded preconference >>> with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate track during >>> the actual Wikimania. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pharos >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule for >>>> meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- including >>>> those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like >>>> building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing >>>> NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things. >>>> >>>> We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think >>>> we can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. >>>> Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic >>>> tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for >>>> preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to >>>> librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it >>>> in the past). >>>> >>>> (Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get rid >>>> of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just have >>>> panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the >>>> schedule! :) >>>> >>>> -- Phoebe >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>> >>>>> Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is >>>>> co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the main >>>>> conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and >>>>> WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the last >>>>> couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is concerned >>>>> about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can >>>>> benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of scheduling >>>>> events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not >>>>> scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North America >>>>> and the other a general/global event. >>>>> >>>>> This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the cost >>>>> and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for you to >>>>> consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Leila >>>>> >>>>> Leila Zia >>>>> Research Scientist >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify a >>>>>> topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North American >>>>>> WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the >>>>>> programme >>>>>> at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And >>>>>> whatever >>>>>> you do, it will be. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special >>>>>> 'track' beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly formal >>>>>> and >>>>>> separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, and I >>>>>> wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, >>>>>> Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping >>>>>> topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North >>>>>> Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the opposite >>>>>> is >>>>>> true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations >>>>>> (which I also think would be quite untrue). >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan of >>>>>> rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, unless you >>>>>> have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have >>>>>> three presentations about education grouped together where they come from >>>>>> different regions, with different approaches than to have three >>>>>> presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped >>>>>> together. >>>>>> I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a >>>>>> region - >>>>>> and it would be without precedent (I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>> >>>>>> 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including French >>>>>>> and Spanish). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >>>>>>> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >>>>>>> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >>>>>>> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, research, >>>>>>> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and governance >>>>>>> come >>>>>>> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively >>>>>>> co-locating >>>>>>> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a >>>>>>> net >>>>>>> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would >>>>>>> otherwise >>>>>>> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in >>>>>>> Montreal, >>>>>>> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at >>>>>>> Wikimania, >>>>>>> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and >>>>>>> venue >>>>>>> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey pine, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence of >>>>>>>> regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>>>>>>> Wikimania >>>>>>>> is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's in Europe, >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> Europeans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>>>>>>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>>>>>>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) type-of-session >>>>>>>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a >>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>>>>>>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American regional >>>>>>>> and local subjects' would require such track and even more why it would >>>>>>>> require a special committee. It will find its way in the programme, and >>>>>>>> it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why try to >>>>>>>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big fan >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves too >>>>>>>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and get >>>>>>>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but I >>>>>>>> guess that'll be of little use to you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in >>>>>>>>> particular), >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>>>>>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. This >>>>>>>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in >>>>>>>>> terms of >>>>>>>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate conferences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>>>>>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated to >>>>>>>>> North >>>>>>>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a >>>>>>>>> dedicated >>>>>>>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in >>>>>>>>> attendance >>>>>>>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we can >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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