I think we forget the mention of touching, even if its a shoulder. Touching can be very uncomfortable....
On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 12:17, Mykola Kozlenko <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am very sad to see this happen. I think this is a case when we cannot > gave a win-win implementation of the policy > * On one hand, Romaine *has* to be close to a person he is talking to, > otherwise he is unable to hear them. I know him, he really is. > * On the other hand, in some cultures standing very close to a person who > is not a friend can be really impolite. Some people prefer to keep more > distance when they are talking to someone. (See > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space ) > * On one hand, entering a room when someone needs an item urgently can be > normal. A person quite legitimately may want to help as quickly as possible > when they are asked to. > * On the other hand, a person entering and immediately leaving the room > can indeed be a significant distraction for a speaker. A speaker may come > from a culture where such behaviour is considered impolite. > > We are all coming from different backgrounds, and what is normal for one > person might be offensive to another. Looking forward, can we probably > assume more good faith? We might not be aware what another person's > background is, so perhaps we should begin with asking them why they are > doing that and why you are not OK with that. > > Best regards, > Mykola (NickK) > > --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- > Від кого: "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> > Дата: 20 липня 2018, 10:23:49 > > Hi all, > > while I have much sympathy for Romaine, and cannot comprehend the decision > with the available information, I do want to guard us to continue > discussing this further here. We (even Romaine) have only a limited part of > the information available to us. I trust that Romaine works with the very > best intentions, and also that the Trust & Safety team has the best > intentions in their implementation. I also trust that the team will make a > full evaluation after Wikimania is completed as their default practice. > > As part of this conversation, both here online and offline, I seem to hear > several people who are unhappy with how the policy is implemented. Let us > also recognize that it is important to have a friendly space - and that > this is a Hard Thing to accomplish. Agreeing or disagreeing in public with > a decision while only having part of the information can only make that job > harder and/or harm individuals. > > If you have beef with the policy and how it is implemented, I suggest that > you try to set up a meetup with the Trust & Safety team, and you can have a > conversation with them about the broader policy. They can perhaps share > some rough broader statistics as part of that. Otherwise, it is probably > more appropriate to have this online discussion after the conference has > concluded, based on the policy and practices as a whole, and not an > individual case. > > Just my two cents... > > Lodewijk > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:15 AM Andy Mabbett <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On 19 July 2018 at 20:30, Romaine Wiki <[email protected]> wrote: > > > - People say I have been talking to loud > > > Please be aware I have a hearing problem and I do hear myself > > > Because of these complaints, it was demanded to step down as a volunteer > > organiser for this year's Wikimania. > > As someone with family members who are profoundly hard of hearing and > affected by tinnitus, I am sorry to learn that you have been > discriminated against in this way. > > I hope that whoever is responsible for our safe spaces policy will > ensure that this does not happen to you - or anyone else - again. > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens
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