Sorry but I have a hard time understanding the issue here - in fact this just comes across as quite transphobic.As you write yourself, males* and females* sometimes use each others bathrooms. I never encountered a bathroom situation where I couldn't avoid looking to closely at what people do or not do at a pissoir when I passed them. If someone - for some reason that is beyond me - is offended by (used) hygiene products, don't look into the bin. Easy.CheersClaudia -------- Original message --------From: Mina Theofilatou <[email protected]> Date: 28/06/2023 23:58 (GMT+01:00) To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <[email protected]> Subject: [Wikimania-l] Re: Planning your trip to Singapore for Wikimania 2023 OK so I've finally found some time to sit at my computer and write a proper reply. I will refrain from addressing Z.'s concerns on my eligibility as a scholarship recipient (and all the related sarcasm) for Wikimania 2023 as I have already replied to that on the renamed thread "selection criteria". I read through the comments on gender policy in this thread and I'm afraid that I will have to be somewhat explicit to get my point across. I am 56 years old (my friend interested in attending Wikimania23 is several years older) and I have been to many conferences on four continents, I'd say over a hundred (not all Wikimedia-related of course). I am a cis-gender woman - apologies if I'm not using the right terms, until recently "woman" or "female" was enough to describe what I am - and naturally I have used dozens of women's restrooms (and locker rooms occasionally). Not once have I experienced a disturbing incident involving a man or male in a space designated for women because quite simply, I have never seen a man - a male-presenting individual, that is - using the space (except for the occasional "emergency", whereby the male uses the women's toilet and apologises for doing so if he encounters a woman while "relieving" himself. I've had to do the same on a few occasions in the men's toilets). Such was the situation in the pre-self-identification era. It is very possible that throughout the years I have encountered trans women in the women's restrooms without even being aware of it: a female-presenting trans individual in a space designated for women is naturally, perfectly acceptable and no cause for concern.In the era of self-identification however, an individual who presents as a man - with a beard etc. features of a male physique - can self-identify as a woman (female) and proceed to use spaces designated for women. So, in the hypothetical case that this man who identifies as a woman exits the bathroom stall with his penis in his hand, shaking off the extra urine (apologies for being explicit) - a frequent and non-offensive action in men's restrooms, especially those with urinals - encounters a woman and the woman is offended, would she be entitled to express her discomfort to Trust and Safety? (apologies if the name of the dept has changed, that's the name I remember). Or would she get a reply along the lines of "we understand that you feel offended and that you experienced discomfort from the encounter, but our gender policy is self-identification and this man identifies as a woman so (s)he can use the women's restrooms and there's nothing we can do about it". Same goes for AFAB individuals who are female-presenting but identify as men. A man using the men's toilets may feel discomfort at the sight of e.g. period blood and pads (again, apologies for the explicitness!) in a stall. I have tried to describe the issue as respectfully as possible. Again, apologies for being explicit, it was inevitable. I do agree that *generally* Wikipedians are respectful of others and would *generally* not intentionally cause discomfort to others using gender-designated toilets - or worse yet, go so far as to harass - but if norms of common decency were self-evident to everyone, there would be no need for a Trust and Safety dept in the first place. Best,MinaΧωρίς ιούς.www.avast.comOn Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 8:25 AM Željko Blaće <[email protected]> wrote:Dear organizers - for the (self announced) transparency plan commitment of publishing list of scholarship grantees in May - it would be useful to do it at least in June as we are almost in July. It would also likely reduce the number of repeating questions.Best Z. Blace
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 7:15 AM Mohd Sayeed <[email protected]> wrote: > > Did u get the scholarship? > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 12:05 AM Aryan Kumar Paswan <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> trip to singapore kindly share list of candidate and is it free of cost? >> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 22:52 Wikimania <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>> Many of you are starting to plan your trips, and we’ve been receiving a lot >>> of questions related to travel to Singapore: visas, vaccines, hotels, >>> weather… We invite you to take a look at our Travel page on the Wikimania >>> Wiki, with subpages for e-visas, attendee information, and accommodations. >>> Feel free to leave a message on any relevant talk pages or reach out to us >>> at [email protected] if anything is unclear or incomplete. >>> >>> >>> To highlight one point–many countries are visa-free for Singapore, but >>> everyone needs to fill out a Singapore entry card before arrival. Also >>> Singapore requires a yellow fever vaccine from many countries–please see if >>> yours is on the list! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Butch Bustria >>> >>> On behalf of the Core Organizing Team >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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