Sam, this is great news, I will try it out today. Sam Wilson wrote: > In the meantime I've set up a demo wiki: >https://tools.wmflabs.org/genealogy/wiki/Main_Page >that we can install various things on if we want to talk about them in more concrete terms. > — Sam
2017-09-07 9:37 GMT+02:00 Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au>: > I certainly agree with you about the NIH syndrome within the Wikimedia > world. (I think it's getting better though, and I think a lot of it is part > of the general PHP/web-dev community too, and not specific to MediaWiki.) I > really don't think we need yet another software solution for genealogy! > However... :-) > > I think I basically take as my starting point "base MediaWiki". As in: > there's a great flexibility in a website that is basically just freeform > text boxes into which you can put whatever. At its heart, a wiki is free > and open and really easy to just jump into and start putting content up. > That's why we love 'em! And I think it's a good platform for genealogy: we > can write whatever we need to, and collaborate with others, and it's not > constrained by any software-imposed structure. > > Certainly, I see the attraction with software like Webtrees that provides > lots of structure, but I guess it feels a bit different to the open wiki > way of things. I think WeRelate tries to walk the line between fully-wiki > and fully-structured, and does it pretty well. I've attempted a couple of > times to work on its code and bring it up to date, but decided it would > take more time than I've got, and there isn't a community of developers > working on it. > > Anyway, that's all stuff we need to talk about more I'm sure! In the > meantime I've set up a demo wiki: > https://tools.wmflabs.org/genealogy/wiki/Main_Page > that we can install various things on if we want to talk about them in > more concrete terms. > > — Sam. > > > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, at 09:31 PM, Amgine wrote: > > Sorry about the digest response. Footnotes at bottom of msg. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:50:29 -0400 > From: James Mason <j...@slashmail.org> <j...@slashmail.org> > To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project." > <wikimedia-genealogy@lists.wikimedia.org> > <wikimedia-genealogy@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Several different systems have been put forward as candidates to be > "the" Wikimedia genealogy project. Of those, several have been in > existence for a number of years and are in regular use. Yet I have seen > very little on the question of why any of those may or may not have been > chosen as a starting point. > > ... > > In the WMF-sphere there is a strong opposition to NMH/NFH (Not Made > Here/Not From Here) solutions, even standing the middle of a wheel > graveyard. Witness Flow when there are literally hundreds of drop-in > forum/communication systems which can be implemented modularly such as > PHPBB. > > My personal choice of using WebTrees[1] was specifically to allow an > unlimited number of contributors to work on a single GED, and allow an > unlimited number of GEDs to be hosted/displayed. It is not a wiki. It > has some wiki-like characteristics. It could become a wiki. I doubt it > is currently ready to scale. > > On the other hand, it would work extremely well as an interim, and is > able to import/export standard and non-standard GED. > > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 08:15:04 +0800 > From: Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> <s...@samwilson.id.au> > To: wikimedia-genealogy@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Is the delivery of software > fundamental to this project? > > ... > WeRelate > ... > Wikidata as a central > repository > ... > My personal approach these days is ... > > To painfully refactor: WeRelate has content and community, and other > good/bad things. Wikidata, if possible, requires creating a new > genealogy data standard [mandatory reference to https://xkcd.com/927/]. > Federation seems a good approach. > > I am less-keen on thinking about forking a community, although forking > their content has some interesting possibilities. Wikidata has been > pretty much useless or a disaster for sister projects other than > interwiki links - and even that has semantic issues. (imo: this is due a > lack of interest/resources in supporting non-wikipedia efforts, not that > Wikidata cannot do a stellar job.) > > So, much against my philosophy, I can agree there is a need for software > development: a decentralized federation for node > searching/sharing/indexing, self-healing? Preferably with a platform > agnostic api, so multiple GUI and engines can be built. > > But I would rather work with the very large pile of genealogy wheels > than start something entirely new. > > Amgine > > [1] On Github: https://github.com/fisharebest/webtrees > Official:https://www.webtrees.net/ Wiki: https://wiki.webtrees.net/ > > *_______________________________________________* > Wikimedia-genealogy mailing list > Wikimedia-genealogy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-genealogy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-genealogy mailing list > Wikimedia-genealogy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-genealogy > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Kontor/Office: Ljusterö Information Box 75, 184 03 Ljusterö Telefon: 11.00-17.00: 08-542 424 01 ----------------------------------------------------------- Dan Koehl, Kårbodavägen 39, 184 97 Ljusterö, Sweden. 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