Demo snt mail frm BB 12-30 On 10/04/2012, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination > Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede) > 2. Re: Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory meeting in > NY, April 12th. (David Gerard) > 3. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination > Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede) > 4. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination > Process Advisory Group (Thomas Dalton) > 5. IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-04-18 16:30 > UTC (Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)) > 6. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination > Process Advisory Group (Samuel Klein) > 7. Sister Projects Committee (Thehelpfulone) > 8. BBC Open Content (Richard Symonds) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:54:48 +0200 > From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds > Dissemination Process Advisory Group > Message-ID: <37b6db8b-be16-47ef-ad30-8562cdb61...@wikimedia.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I was assuming that the questions were asked to Barry, who would know the > answer. I would not presume to do it for him, and I do not know the best > answer :) > > What I was literally reacting to was your assumption that because no one has > told you why it is necessary, it must be unnecessary. I assume that Barry > has a good reason for doing things the way he plans to do them. It is fine > to ask questions and clarification, but lets assume that he thought about > this and has good arguments :) > > Jan-Bart > > > On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:09, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >>> Why do you insist that overhead on getting this right is unnecessary? >>> Looking at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and >>> the importance of getting it right I would argue that a significant >>> investment is more than warranted. >> >> Because nobody has told me why it is necessary. Of course we need to >> get it right, but I don't think that requires this much time and money >> to be dedicated to it. If it really does need it, then of course we >> should spend it, but we shouldn't spend it without a very clear reason >> for doing so. >> >> I've asked a very simple question, could you answer it? What questions >> do you want this process to answer? What it is about the FDC that we >> don't yet know and need to devote a lot of time and money to working >> out? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:54:56 +0100 > From: David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory > meeting in NY, April 12th. > Message-ID: > <caj0tu1g+bqn1rwzuytjq92sb7-8v4juyevquk3z1gftajfh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 10 April 2012 13:42, Andrew Gray <andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk> wrote: > >> a) acquire copyrights (probably by bequest) in order to freely license >> them; >> b) act as a clearinghouse to support "selling" the free licensing of >> creative works (we pay you $1,000, you release your novel as CC-BY-SA) >> c) support people contesting dubious takedown notices >> d) support and train people in freely licensing their own work >> (distribution logistics, negotiating with publishers, etc) > > > There are people trying to do this with out-of-print science fiction, > for example. AIUI, one of the big problems is author's estates with > wild ideas of what an out-of-print midlist novel from the 1960s is > actually worth (demanding ~$100k, etc). It's a tricky one. But > successes would presumably snowball. > > > - d. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:56:52 +0200 > From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds > Dissemination Process Advisory Group > Message-ID: <fbba7e53-e9cf-4096-9d66-1b5f179fd...@wikimedia.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:31, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner <christophe.hen...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Here is my understanding of the goal of this committee, but I might be >>> wrong. >>> >>> The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled >>> the operational details. Bridgespan is there to work on that, and the >>> Advisory Groups is there to help them define the operational details. >> >> Can you elaborate on what you see as being the "operational details" >> that need to be defined? > > Sure > > "just about everything" > > as in > > 1) Who should be on this committee > 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for > example) > 3) What are criteria > 4) What is the process/timeline > > + 401 other things that we can come up with as questions. > > Jan-Bart > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:59:02 +0100 > From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dal...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds > Dissemination Process Advisory Group > Message-ID: > <caltqcccbweboa3txzumu1ttkcwxasp2cuh5v7gybpkutqfx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> Sure >> >> "just about everything" >> >> as in >> >> 1) Who should be on this committee >> 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants >> for example) >> 3) What are criteria >> 4) What is the process/timeline >> >> + 401 other things that we can come up with as questions. > > But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or > controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our > standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns > out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate > approach then. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:10:23 +0200 > From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" <smazel...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Foundation <foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team > 2012-04-18 16:30 UTC > Message-ID: > <camomwq1rcmoyc_gx8tqy43mz+fpxrsiercmr+azm1dyjtxd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > I just wanted to give advance notice about IRC office hours with the > Localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. > > Date: 2012-04-18 (every third Wednesday of the month from now on) > Time: 16.30 UTC > Venue: #wikimedia-office > > As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available > on Meta.[2] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to, > I highly recommend the blog posts we are have written since out last > office hours in February.[3] > > Thanks, and we'll talk to you later next week! > > > -- > Siebrand Mazeland > Product Manager Localisation > Wikimedia Foundation > > 1. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team > 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours > 3. > http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/ > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:37:38 -0400 > From: Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds > Dissemination Process Advisory Group > Message-ID: > <caatu9wl9u6qtlgfg8v3qfxd5mdnxpqd_92wxrhogrwsbpau...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dal...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or >> controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our >> standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns >> out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate >> approach then. > > Naturally the process should be public and inclusive. > I expect most of this group's work would involve open discussion on wikis. > Wiki discussions can be enhanced by calls and in-person meetings, > suitably transcribed and shared - especially when getting input from > people who are not active wiki users. > > A structure and timeline for work, and a group of committed good-faith > participants to provide a steady core for ongoing discussion, is a > good idea for any time-sensitive project. We don't want to appoint > FDC members themselves without more discussion and perhaps a > distributed selection process, but the background work should begin as > soon as possible. > > As to 'which things would be controversial': as you demonstrated here, > even simple discussions can be dominated by a determined critic. > > SJ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:50:21 +0100 > From: Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Sister Projects Committee > Message-ID: > <CADcRDcZS=7gh=opwzmbx3-7dv1yksmpe629nm8it4uh2+hj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > The Sister Projects Committee is now a more formal committee, and as such, > there's a list of things to do at < > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sister_Projects_Committee#Task_list>. The > plan is to discuss all the topics on the talk page and this mailing list > when we are looking for wider community input. If you are interested in > joining the committee or helping out, please have a look at the talk page, < > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sister_Projects_Committee>, where I've > split up each topic area into a different section so that discussions can > take place. > > If you have any questions, feel free to ask on this mailing list or on the > talk page. :-) > -- > Thehelpfulone > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > English Wikipedia Administrator > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:54:14 +0100 > From: Richard Symonds <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content > Message-ID: <4f8457a6.8060...@wikimedia.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Looks like the BBC are now starting to use goodly amounts of open > content. One that's caught my eye is a piece on the seige of Sarajevo, > part of which is CC-BY-SA licenced, at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17617775. > > Richard Symonds > Office& Development Manager > Wikimedia UK > +44 (0) 207 065 0992 > -- > Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company > Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th > Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, > London EC2A 4LT. > Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit > organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for > its contents. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 30 > ******************************************* >
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