On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > On 14 June 2012 16:19, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 14 June 2012 20:36, Andrew Gray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Least surprise is one way to try and get around this problem of not >> > relying on the community's own judgement in all edge cases; I'm not >> > sure it's the best one, but I'm not sure leaving it out is any better. >> >> >> The present usage (to mean "you disagree with our editorial judgement >> therefore you must be a juvenile troll") is significantly worse. >> >> > > I'm not entirely certain that you've got the "usage" case correct, David. > An example would be that one should not be surprised/astonished to see an > image including nudity on the article [[World Naked Gardening Day]], but > the same image would be surprising on the article [[Gardening]]. > > The Commons parallel would be that an image depicting nude gardening would > be appropriately categorized as [[Cat:Nude gardening]], but would be poorly > categorized as [[Cat:Gardening]]. One expects to see a human and gardening > but not nudity in the latter, and humans, gardening, *and* nudity in the > former. > > Now, in fairness, we all know that trolling with images has been a regular > occurrence on many projects for years, much of it very obviously trolling, > but edge cases can be more difficult to determine. Thus, the more neutral > principle of least astonishment ("would an average reader be surprised to > see this image on this article?/in this category?") comes into play. I'd > suggest that the principle of least astonishment is an effort to assume > good faith. > > Risker
There is a serious issue here. "least astonishment" is very much distinct from "least offence". We don't guarantee the latter, and never should.The former was hijacked by a silly board resolution, and should be rescinded. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
