And here is the correct second link:

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/03/photographs-are-not-derivative-works.html

On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:13 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The first version sent too soon and was almost unreadable, sorry if you 
> struggled through it.  Here it is again with copy-editing.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:06 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony <wikim...@inbox.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge <sainto...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>> Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures 
>>>> you
>>>> take.
>>> 
>>> Maybe.  You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor of
>>> the creative input which went into the picture.  If someone else also
>>> contributed, then you might own the copyright in the picture as a
>>> derivative work (extending only to your contributions), <snip>
>> 
>> I hope you don' t mind my picking out this piece from your email and 
>> ignoring the rest.
> 
>> Simply photographing a copyrighted work does NOT create a photograph that is 
>> a derivative work. For a photo to become a derivative work you have to 
>> really go beyond timing, lighting, point and click.
>> 
>> This claim that photographs are derivative works came up just a few weeks 
>> ago in the trademark discussion.  I never directly addressed this issue 
>> during that discussion. While I felt certain there was some error in to the 
>> claim, I could not recall the reasoning behind the counter-point.  I just 
>> came across the in-depth discussion.  If anyone is interested the links 
>> follow, and don't forget to read the comments.  The comments are actually 
>> were it is all explained in lay terms with good examples instead of judicial 
>> terms.
>> 
>> http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/02/photographs-and-derivative-works.html
>> http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/02/photographs-and-derivative-works.html
>> 
>> Birgitte SB
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