My thoughts are as follows:  These "paywall" resources only make accessible
information that has already been published, and which editors would
otherwise have to purchase or access through other financially-restrictive
means.  But the same is true of our readers, who would have to check the
references in exactly the same way.  Therefore, we have not changed the
effect on the reader. Indeed, the key reason that we include the
information that the reference material was extracted through these various
web resources is to appropriately identify that there may be variations
from the original reference source. (Highbeam's scans sometimes come out a
bit funny, particularly the symbols, for example.)


On 11 August 2012 17:56, Michael Peel <> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm still trying to figure out whether these partnerships are a good or
> bad thing for Wikimedia.
> Yes, it's good/great that Wikimedia volunteers are able to access these
> resources so that they can develop Wikipedia articles, and hence increasing
> the amount of knowledge that we can freely provide to the world.
> But on the flip side, what about our readers - as a result of these sort
> of partnerships, we're increasing the number of times that we'll be
> pointing them towards paywall-protected services to be able to verify the
> information we provide, and hence the amount of money they'll be forced to
> pay to these organisations. And perhaps, as editors, we're supporting
> paywalls by accepting these offers (and hence making paywalls more
> prevalent), rather than refusing them until they make the content that they
> provide freely available.
> So this is a balancing act - but I'm not currently sure which side
> outweighs the other, or whether the two sides are currently balancing each
> other out… What does everyone think? And is there an on-wiki page where we
> can discuss these offers in general?
> Thanks,
> Mike
> P.S. I've deliberately biased the view of this email a little towards the
> negative, to try to offset the positive expectation set out in the previous
> email a little. I think that I'm currently completely neutral on this
> issue, though...
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 19:16, Ocaasi Ocaasi <> wrote:
> > The quest for get Wikipedia editors the sources they need is gaining
> momentum.  Here's what's happening and what you can sign up for ''right
> now'':
> >
> >
> > * '''[[WP:Credo|Credo Reference]]''' provides full-text online versions
> of nearly 1200 published reference works from more than 70 publishers in
> every major subject, including general and subject dictionaries and
> encyclopedias.  There are '''125''' full Credo 350 accounts available, with
> access even to 100 more references works than in Credo's original donation.
>  All you need is a 1-year old account with 1000 edits.  Sign up
> [[Wikipedia:Credo#Sign-up sheet|here]].
> > * '''[[WP:HighBeam|HighBeam Research]]''' has access to over 80 million
> articles from 6,500 publications including newspapers, magazines, academic
> journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias.  Thousands of new
> articles are added daily, and archives date back over 25 years covering a
> wide range of subjects and industries.  There are '''250''' full access
> 1-year accounts available.  All you need is a 1-year old account with 1000
> edits.  Sign up [[Wikipedia:HighBeam/Applications|here]].
> > * '''[[WP:Questia|Questia]]'''  is an online research library for books
> and journal articles focusing on the humanities and social sciences.
> Questia has curated titles from over 300 trusted publishers including
> 77,000 full-text books and 4 million journal, magazine, and newspaper
> articles, as well as encyclopedia entries.  There will soon be '''1000'''
> full access 1-year accounts available.  All you need is a 1-year old
> account with 1000 edits.  Sign up [[Wikipedia:Questia#Apply here: Round
> 1|here]].
> >
> > In addition to these great partnerships, you might be interested in the
> next-generation idea to create a central '''Wikipedia Library''' where
> approved editors would have access to ''all'' participating resource
> donors.  It's still in the preliminary stages, but if you like the idea,
> add your feedback to the [
>  Fellowship proposal] to start developing the project.  Drop by my
> talk page if you have any questions.  Now, go sign up!
> >
> > --[[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]
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