Thanks. I didnt search. I looked in the last 250 revisions of the page. I didnt look back far enough.
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Sep 17, 2012 8:42 PM, "Strainu" <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > Have you searched for it? > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2012/09#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects > > 2012/9/17 John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>: > > Where is the onwiki discussion about this? I could find '[1]' > > > > Or a wikipedia page that describes the copyright status of imagery of > DSOs? > > > > John Vandenberg. > > sent from Galaxy Note > > On Sep 15, 2012 1:25 PM, "とある白い猫" <to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am not seeking legal advice. I am asking the pursuit of the issue. > I am > >> not a US citizen so I do not have a congress person to contact. The laws > >> governing copyright can be amended to address the issue of deep space > >> objects (DSO). I do not expect a result next week, I merely want the > issue > >> to enter into an agenda of some sort. If the Foundation is going to take > >> the lead, this probably would only be possible through a board > decision. In > >> such a case I want to work with people to come up with such a draft > >> proposal to the board. > >> > >> I realize this is an unusual request but there seems to be a lack of > >> clarity on this issue[1]. Argument is that copyright can be an issue > since > >> not every organization observing or assisting NASA's observations are > >> PD-USgov compatible. We may be forced to permanently delete all deep > space > >> objects as a result. > >> > >> I'd like to provide a short technical explanation why copyright of > deep > >> space objects or DSOs (objects outside of the solar system) are > >> meaningless. For ordinary photographs copyright is determined by factors > >> such as lighting, perspective, exposure and other such settings that > >> creates a different image of the same object. You can distinguish the > >> difference between a daylight photo and an evening photo. > >> > >> With deep space objects however, even the stellar parallax[2] has a > very > >> small value. The closest object outside of the solar system is 4.24 > light > >> years (268,136 AU's) away. The semi-major axis of earth is about 1AUs. > The > >> difference in perspective is like looking at a 2cm (width of a nickel) > wide > >> object 5.3km (3.29 miles) away and the perspective difference is > switching > >> left eye to the right eye. We lack scientific instruments to even > detect a > >> stellar parallax for objects much further. In other words our > perspective > >> of the nearest star and beyond is more or less constant and the objects > >> themselves look the same for hundreds of years. > >> > >> So any photo of a deep space object I or someone else takes from the > >> solar system will look identical regardless of when and where on earth I > >> take it within multiple lifetimes. I think this can bring legal > precedent > >> for us to either disregard any copyright claim or at least pursue > lawmakers > >> in congress to amend the copyright law to make an exception in the law. > >> People who worked with congress such as Neil Degrasse Tyson could be > >> consulted to this end. Also international treaties[3] can be consulted > to > >> this end as copyrighting photos of deep space objects could be > interpreted > >> as an unfair exploitation of resources. > >> > >> I realize this reads like something out of Star Trek but this is > growing > >> to be quite a problem as we see more and more weird copyright claims > even > >> when dealing with NASA which traditionally had a PD-USgov mentality. > NASA > >> regularly contracts its more recent projects and to be fair we do not > know > >> how NASA contracts these projects which could potentially lead > >> to legitimate copyright claims in the future. > >> > >> > >> [1]: > >> > >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects > >> > >> [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax > >> > >> [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law#International_treaties > >> > >> -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l