I`m wondering why this discussion is on the English Wikipedia since it concerns all projects, it should be on Meta in my opinion.
Thanks, JP Beland aka Amqui 2012/10/26, David Gerard <[email protected]>: > Note the suggestion: set aside $1m of tech resources for community-chosen > work. > > Heck, projects other than Wikipedia might get the slightest attention. > > > - d. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> > Date: 26 October 2012 09:25 > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and "tech > people" > To: English Wikipedia <[email protected]> > > > Hi Guillaume, > > Firstly move Bugzilla to Meta. Currently it is a different user experience > to the rest of our wikis, and it isn't even part of the Single User Login. > > Secondly try to shift from a developer led Software program to more of a > community led one. Yes of course there are going to be things going on > which have to happen anyway for valid technical reasons, from what I've > seen the WMF has a significant budget to invest on programming changes. But > there isn't a way for the community to prioritise development projects. So > part of the clash is the dissonance between the community empowerment ethos > which is the norm for most community activities, and the disempowerment > that characterises community involvement in IT development. If a million > dollars of the annual IT budget was set aside for projects that the > community could suggest and prioritise via a page on meta, then the > relationship between IT and the community would be transformed, as would be > the project. > > WSC > > On 25 October 2012 14:07, Guillaume Paumier <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> [Posting this from my personal address because I'm not subscribed to >> the list with my work account.] >> >> I've started a discussion on the technical Village pump on how to >> establish a better dialogue between editors and "tech people" >> (developers, Wikimedia engineers, etc.): >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Improving_communication_between_editors_and_.22tech_people.22 >> >> I'd love to get more comments and suggestions, so that the outcome >> isn't only representative of the subset of the community who reads >> VP/T. >> >> You can participate there or here on the list, I'll follow both. Also, >> feel free to advertise this discussions to fellow editors, >> particularly those whom you know to be interested in these issues. >> Thanks! >> >> Below is the text I've posted on VP/T: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hi. I'm posting this as part of my job for the WMF, where I currently >> work on technical communications. >> >> As you'll probably agree, communication between Wikipedia contributors >> and "tech people" (primarily MediaWiki developers, but also designers >> and other engineers) hasn't always been ideal. In recent years, >> Wikimedia employees have made efforts to become more transparent, for >> example by writing monthly activity reports, by providing hubs listing >> current activities, and by maintaining "activity pages" for each >> significant activity. Furthermore, the yearly engineering goals for >> the WMF were developed publicly, and the more granular Roadmap is >> updated weekly. >> >> Now, that's all well and such, but what I'd rather like to discuss is >> how we can better engage in true collaboration and 2-way discussion, >> not just reports and announcements. It's easy to post a link to a new >> feature that's already been implemented, and tell users "Please >> provide feedback!". It's much more difficult to truly collaborate >> every step of the way, from the early planning to deployment. >> >> Some "big" tech projects are lucky enough to have Oliver Keyes who can >> spend a lot of time discussing with local wiki communities, basically >> incarnating this 2-way communication channel between users and >> developers. The $1 million question is: how do we scale up the Oliver? >> We want to be able to do this for dozens of engineering projects with >> hundreds of wikis, in many languages, and truly collaborate to build >> new features together. >> >> There are probably things in the way we do tech stuff (e.g. new >> software features and deployments) that drive you insane. You probably >> have lots of ideas about what the ideal situation should be, and how >> to get there: What can the developer community (staff and volunteers) >> do to get there? (in the short term, medium term, long term?) What can >> users do to get there? >> >> I certainly don't claim to have all the answers, and I can't do a >> proper job to improve things without your help. So please help me help >> make your lives easier, and speak up. >> >> This is intended to be a very open discussion. Unapologetic >> complaining is fine; suggestions are also welcome. Stock of ponies is >> limited. >> >> -- >> Guillaume Paumier >> [[m:User:guillom]] >> http://www.gpaumier.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
