Hey I seriously can't follow this, could you explain?
Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano <cyrano.faw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think it's about childish beliefs about "evil". Money has a real > influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage > allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations, > empirically and scientifically, that people in power WILL use it to keep it, > as much as they can. > When an entity is using its influence to determine who will supervise it, > it's a matter of keeping the power of self-determination. You may agree or > not with this strategy, but there is no way to lift doubts about the fairness > of such appointment and obtain a clean cut legitimacy from such premises. > > Cheers. > > > Le 18/02/2013 09:52, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit : >> Hi >> >> Sounded like good intervention, thanks for reminding me :) >> >> Truth is of course that board Governance Committee is driving this process >> together with Gayle. That means that multiple community (s)elected board >> members are involved in the initial screening and that the whole board will >> be included in the final selection. >> >> This would also be a good opportunity to make a small point: not all >> external consultancy is evil :) As a community we tend to be naturally >> suspicious of people that get paid "a lot" of money for tasks that >> theoretically "could also be done my the community"… There is a good reason >> why we sometimes rely on paid external advisors, some of which were given by >> Gayle. >> >> m|Oppenheim in particular has been a great partner in WMF hiring with great >> results, and I hope that they can be as effective in this search (which we >> hope you can help out with by suggesting good candidates to them) >> >> Regards >> >> Jan-Bart >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <t...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I would like to recommend to see the Brazil case where the recruitment >>> of the coordinator of the Catalyst Project was done in partnership >>> with the community >>> >>> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/11/brazil-recruiting-and-partnership-with-the-community-moves-forward/ >>> >>> After the community noticed the mistake being done in hiring and >>> expensive and useless headhunter, this was critized >>> <http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.brazil/161> and, >>> fortunately, promptly listened by Wikimedia Foundation people in >>> charge of the process. The community even had the idea of a more open >>> and transparent process, where the candidates would engage in a wiki >>> task - four finalists for the whole process engaged in such task. Also >>> in the interview with two wikimedians, the 10 candidates could have a >>> taste of what they would expect. :) >>> >>> We all saw the dozens of mistakes of this headhunters, that luckly >>> were solved on time by the community, improving a lot the final >>> results. Not saying the model shouldn't be adapted and improved, it >>> must. And after all, no one better than locals to tell about their own >>> community. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede >>> <jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>> Hey >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> I am sure that Alice is grateful for the input. I must confess though that >>>> I think that most of these questions require a deep knowledge of the >>>> movement and the community and as such disqualify a lot of potential >>>> candidates… (I would hazard a guess that none of the past appointed >>>> candidates (including myself) were not able to answer 80% of these >>>> questions until about 6 months "on the job". So are you proposing these >>>> questions to select new candidates or are you simply trying to get >>>> attention for these issues (as you have been doing over the past months… >>>> which is fair enough to some degree?) >>>> >>>> (and to be fair: at this point, with all the experience I have within the >>>> movement I would want to see most of these decisions researched before >>>> committing to a point of view) >>>> >>>> Jan-Bart >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:19 AM, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: >>>>>> ... >>>>>> if you have questions that you think we should ask: feel free to suggest >>>>>> them here :) >>>>> I have these ten questions: >>>>> >>>>> 1. What do you think a reasonable goal for the growth of the Wikimedia >>>>> Education Program over the next five years is? >>>>> >>>>> 2. Do you believe that the Foundation should establish an endowment? >>>>> If so, how large do you think such an endowment should be; in >>>>> particular, should the Foundation establish an endowment large enough >>>>> to subsist at present staffing levels and growth rates from current >>>>> investment grade bond interest rates without accepting additional >>>>> donations? If so, over how many years do you think it would be most >>>>> appropriate to establish such an endowment? >>>>> >>>>> 3. How often do you think the Foundation should propose advocacy >>>>> actions to the community? Do you believe the Foundation should survey >>>>> the opinion of the community and donors on this question? >>>>> >>>>> 4. Should the Foundation meet or exceed Silicon Valley competitive pay >>>>> to attract and retain the best talent while competing with firms able >>>>> to offer equity participation? Do you believe the Foundation should >>>>> survey the opinion of the community and donors on this question? Why >>>>> or why not? >>>>> >>>>> 5. Should the Foundation establish a system of awarding employee >>>>> bonuses in amounts determined by anonymous peer evaluations? Why or >>>>> why not? >>>>> >>>>> 6. Some proportion of long term project editors are impoverished, >>>>> probably within a few percentage points of the impoverished proportion >>>>> of the population as a whole. How do you think the Foundation could >>>>> best assist impoverished long term volunteers? Do you think it should? >>>>> Why or why not? >>>>> >>>>> 7. To what extent do you believe the Foundation should reimburse >>>>> travel and content development expenses for Wikinews contributors? In >>>>> particular, if you were to propose a pilot grant program to grant >>>>> travel and expense funds directly to individual Wikinews reporters, >>>>> how many such awards would you begin with and how would you measure >>>>> their effectiveness? >>>>> >>>>> 8. PeerWise is a popular closed-source assessment question and answer >>>>> database (http://peerwise.cs.auckland.ac.nz/) used in hundreds of >>>>> higher education institutions. Unlike textbooks, traditional courses, >>>>> MOOCs, and Moodle-style courses, PeerWise question databases can and >>>>> often are populated entirely by learners, with answers reviewed in a >>>>> style very similar to wiki content. Do you believe it would be >>>>> appropriate for the Foundation to develop an open source version of >>>>> PeerWise? Why or why not? >>>>> >>>>> 9. Do you believe the Foundation should employ professional fact >>>>> checkers who would not edit reader-facing content on the projects, but >>>>> who would be available to research questions pertaining to content >>>>> disputes at the request of projects' dispute resolution volunteers >>>>> (e.g. Wikipedia mediators) to prepare reports to help volunteers >>>>> resolve content disputes? Why or why not? Do you believe the >>>>> Foundation should survey the opinion of the community and donors on >>>>> this question? >>>>> >>>>> 10. What is your experience with editing or otherwise supporting >>>>> Foundation projects? >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> James Salsman >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) >>> "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more >>> useful than a life spent doing nothing." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
