Ting, I don't think that Itzik has said anywhere that the election committee is doing a bad job. I think he is simply saying that you shouldn't have to commit to having a meeting every week since February just to have an opinion on the topic that is taken seriously.
Cheers, Craig Franklin On 30 April 2013 19:40, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hello Itzik > > yes, you are right. > > But, and this is a very big but. You organized Wikimania yourself, you > know how much unseen and unthankable and unbelievable complicated and > unnecessary work behind all the shiny things. The election committee is > also a volunteer driven committee. It is a tremendous effort. They have > weekly meeting since February, and they did a lot of things. It is unfair > to stand out now and say you are doing a bad job. > > Greetings > Ting > > > Am 4/30/2013 11:24 AM, schrieb Itzik Edri: > > Ting, Risker, >> >> 1. To share thoughts and feedback about the elections, you don't must to >> be >> volunteer in the committee. >> >> 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read >> the >> voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still >> doesn't >> mean we need to ignore from this issue >> >> Itzik >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote: >> >> Hello dear all, >>> >>> I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the >>> election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time. >>> >>> Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not >>> very many people responded. >>> >>> Greetings >>> Ting >>> >>> Am 4/30/2013 12:57 AM, schrieb Risker: >>> >>> On 29 April 2013 18:48, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Itzik Edri <it...@infra.co.il> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give >>>>> equal >>>>> >>>>>> right to everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a >>>>>> processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations >>>>>> the >>>>>> right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not >>>>>> chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like >>>>>> saying >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even >>>>>> >>>>>> want >>>>> >>>>> to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their >>>>>> "bosses".. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's a very good point, and I think the chapter board members and >>>>>> >>>>> staff >>>>> definitely _should_ be given a voice _at least_ in the FDC elections. >>>>> I >>>>> leave it to the Elections Committee to propose solutions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Elections Committee posted its plan weeks before the election >>>>> >>>> started, >>>> with hardly any commentary at all; it is only now, after candidates may >>>> start entering the race, that people are complaining that we've failed >>>> to >>>> give the "right" people a vote (or alternately, that we've given too >>>> many >>>> people a vote). There is almost no variation between the voter >>>> eligibility >>>> this year and in the previous election; the only relevant changes are >>>> dates >>>> for eligibility and the developer commit process (which was changed >>>> because >>>> the Engineering Department changed the way that commits were done). >>>> >>>> I suggest that those who would like to see changes at the next election >>>> post on the election post mortem page[1] now, so that these ideas aren't >>>> lost to time. >>>> >>>> Risker (Election Committee Member) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/****wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**<http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**> >>>> elections_2013/Post_mortem<htt**p://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/** >>>> Wikimedia_Foundation_**elections_2013/Post_mortem<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2013/Post_mortem> >>>> > >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.****org >>>> <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >>>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.****org >>> <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l