Very cool idea! I just donated and tweeted about it.
It's a really clever way to spread free knowledge to kids who need it the most. Well done, you guys! Fabrice On May 5, 2013, at 11:55 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 15:51:59 +0100 > From: Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: > <CAAUQgdD9-y+AVX+VQLQcrVZWdd=3eyvba9d56a9xzrcrkrs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This is totally awesome! > > On 5 May 2013 09:46, Manuel Schneider <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Great initiative. Actually the first time I donated real money to a >> Wikimedia project... sort of. >> >> /Manuel >> >> Am 05.05.2013 06:27, schrieb Victor Grigas: >>> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise funds >> to >>> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids in >>> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >>> >>> The campaign is here: >>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >>> >>> The video is here: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >>> >>> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the campaign, >>> please share the link with others! >>> >>> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >>> entirely as a volunteer. >> >> -- >> Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Community Liaison, Product Development > Wikimedia Foundation > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:46:22 -0300 > From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: Mailing list do Capítulo brasileiro da Wikimedia. > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: > <caexlhe8bmrryyx+trd0_14ijxzkanjrdnh9pv70hugka9-k...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > That is a cool project. Congrats, Victor. > > I've a wikireader with me someone gave a few years ago. Have someone tried > to install a Wikipedia of another language? I will try < > http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/> sometime soon (alguém da WMBR > com mais tempo, se quiser, fale comigo). > > What about using their software <http://thewikireader.com/> on Linux? If > you were successfull with that, please, let me know. Their apps are just > for Windows and Mac stuff. > > I'll check if'd possible to have these machines sold somehow in South > America. Ideas? At least we still don't have at our recent Amazon < > http://www.amazon.com.br/> site. > > Maybe it would be good to suggest wikireader producers to have the hardware > source open as well, if that don't make they go bankrupt. Who knows we > could produce locally. > > Tom > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Victor Grigas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise funds to >> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids in >> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >> >> The campaign is here: >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >> >> The video is here: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >> >> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the campaign, >> please share the link with others! >> >> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >> entirely as a volunteer. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> >> *Victor Grigas* >> Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> [email protected] >> +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 >> 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor >> San Francisco, CA 94105 >> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > > -- > Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) > "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful > than a life spent doing nothing." > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 17:01:25 +0000 > From: Abbas Mahmood <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > All the best, Victor! > Abbas. > >> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:46:22 -0300 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids >> >> That is a cool project. Congrats, Victor. >> >> I've a wikireader with me someone gave a few years ago. Have someone tried >> to install a Wikipedia of another language? I will try < >> http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/> sometime soon (alguém da WMBR >> com mais tempo, se quiser, fale comigo). >> >> What about using their software <http://thewikireader.com/> on Linux? If >> you were successfull with that, please, let me know. Their apps are just >> for Windows and Mac stuff. >> >> I'll check if'd possible to have these machines sold somehow in South >> America. Ideas? At least we still don't have at our recent Amazon < >> http://www.amazon.com.br/> site. >> >> Maybe it would be good to suggest wikireader producers to have the hardware >> source open as well, if that don't make they go bankrupt. Who knows we >> could produce locally. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Victor Grigas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise funds to >>> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids in >>> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >>> >>> The campaign is here: >>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >>> >>> The video is here: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >>> >>> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the campaign, >>> please share the link with others! >>> >>> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >>> entirely as a volunteer. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Victor Grigas* >>> Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> [email protected] >>> +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 >>> 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor >>> San Francisco, CA 94105 >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) >> "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful >> than a life spent doing nothing." >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 15:26:07 -0300 > From: Oona Castro <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: > <CAMA2a_S3XhDV+Y7dc4ry7kMe2puB=zkcx5xqxodyg3pbp5w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Victor, > hope you're well. > > I found the campaign awsome and will be donating some money. > I was wondering whether that would be nice to donate some of them to the > global south, though import taxes might be an issue, as well as the fact > that it comes with the English Wikipedia and downloading other languages is > not that intuitive, though it's possible. > > Perhaps we could do the work of dowloading different languages and make a > contest to give them to a few here in Brazil, in India, Argentina, Egypt, > elsewhere? > > The other thing I though of was: I recently was gifted by Henrique with one > of those and in Amazon it's being sold by less than 10 dollars. So I think > you may get a good bargain for less than US$ 25 if you talk through it. > > let me know what you think > > Best regards > > Oona > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Abbas Mahmood <[email protected]> wrote: > >> All the best, Victor! >> Abbas. >> >>> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:46:22 -0300 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> CC: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids >>> >>> That is a cool project. Congrats, Victor. >>> >>> I've a wikireader with me someone gave a few years ago. Have someone >> tried >>> to install a Wikipedia of another language? I will try < >>> http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/> sometime soon (alguém da >> WMBR >>> com mais tempo, se quiser, fale comigo). >>> >>> What about using their software <http://thewikireader.com/> on Linux? If >>> you were successfull with that, please, let me know. Their apps are just >>> for Windows and Mac stuff. >>> >>> I'll check if'd possible to have these machines sold somehow in South >>> America. Ideas? At least we still don't have at our recent Amazon < >>> http://www.amazon.com.br/> site. >>> >>> Maybe it would be good to suggest wikireader producers to have the >> hardware >>> source open as well, if that don't make they go bankrupt. Who knows we >>> could produce locally. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Victor Grigas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise >> funds to >>>> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids >> in >>>> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >>>> >>>> The campaign is here: >>>> >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >>>> >>>> The video is here: >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >>>> >>>> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the >> campaign, >>>> please share the link with others! >>>> >>>> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >>>> entirely as a volunteer. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Victor Grigas* >>>> Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> [email protected] >>>> +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 >>>> 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor >>>> San Francisco, CA 94105 >>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) >>> "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful >>> than a life spent doing nothing." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 20:27:20 +0200 > From: rupert THURNER <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: > <CAJs9aZ8BtsmQ-zkjusg3c-d7d4Lwsgz=x+fy5ntcbv1nwvg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > hehehe, victor, you are cool. because its a private initiative you use > your wikimedia mail account to advertise for it, in the video you make > sure that everybody konws you work for wikimedia foundation? the price > you give is interesting as well. on your money collection page you > write the devices cost 25 usd. on amazon they sell it for 9 usd. the > original price 5 years ago was 99 usd, where one could have a 29 usd > subscription to get the contents updated. > > i do not have a problem with all of this. i like your work you do, i > like the enthusiasm, i like that you guys do this voluntary. and i > especially like that you are able to think big. > > but what really stroke me: you say you would not buy it. if you would > not buy it, what makes you so sure that it will be of use for somebody > else? for children who like to see pictures? probably not. for adults > who will have smartphones in 2 years time? probably not as well. > > you might be interested in reading the report of the united nations > environment program coming out of the "E-Waste Africa Project": > http://www.basel.int/Implementation/TechnicalAssistance/EWaste/EwasteAfricaProject/tabid/2546/Default.aspx?overlayId=ArtId-468 > > "Africa has been undergoing rapid ICT transformation in recent years, > attempting to bridge this divide by importing second-hand or used > computers, mobile phones, and TVsets from developed countries. The > countries of the region, however, lack the infrastructure and > resources for the environmentally sound management (ESM) of electrical > and electronic waste (e-waste) arising when such imports reach their > end-of-life." > > rupert. > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Victor Grigas <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise funds to >> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids in >> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >> >> The campaign is here: >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >> >> The video is here: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >> >> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the campaign, >> please share the link with others! >> >> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >> entirely as a volunteer. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> >> *Victor Grigas* >> Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> [email protected] >> +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 >> 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor >> San Francisco, CA 94105 >> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 20:31:38 +0200 > From: Mathias Damour <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] And content - Re: WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > How should be token into consideration the low readability of Wikipedia, > which was pointed out by some recent studies, as far as this device is > devoted to children ? > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/11/29/wikimedia-research-newsletter-november-2012/#Readability_of_the_English_Wikipedia.2C_Simple_Wikipedia.2C_and_Britannica_compared > > There is Simple English Wikipedia as far as English is concerned. For > other language, there is the *Wikikids* proposal that has had some > activity recently and 2 or 3 existing and well running wiki for children. > That's about setting a frame pulled after the existing wikis for kids, > to make good work, associate potential editors (including children), and > then (notably ;-)) to supply a WikiReaders4Kids with suitable and > quality content a few years later ! > Present step is to assemble a comparison between those existing wikis to > help to work out what should be the basic principles for such a project. > Have a look at it ! > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids > > Le 05/05/2013 06:27, Victor Grigas a écrit : >> Hello everyone, >> >> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise funds to >> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids in >> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >> >> The campaign is here: >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >> >> The video is here: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >> >> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the campaign, >> please share the link with others! >> >> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >> entirely as a volunteer. >> >> Thanks! > > -- > Mathias Damour > 49 rue Carnot > F-74000 Annecy > 00 33 (0)4 57 09 10 56 > 00 33 (0)6 27 13 65 51 > [email protected] > http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Astirmays > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 11:55:11 -0700 > From: Victor Grigas <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids > Message-ID: > <CAO4_ZTEqX6k4eOHwKpqnbjK=RNCTcE3cZGro7Dxf0wuTCRcD=q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone - > > Ok a few things that people have brought up here and elsewhere: > > 1 - the manufacturer has said to us that the devices can come pre-installed > with whatever languages are already available : > http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ and that he would help with > other language versions (from our dumps) if we communicated a need for it. > I mentioned this specifically: http://schools-wikipedia.org/ > > 2 - AMAZON! - yes these are the retailers sitting on overstock, we plan to > buy whatever is cheapest first (highest impact) -- and alot of people have > supersaver shipping (user:Ashstar01 too) > > 3 - recycling: scroll to the bottom: http://thewikireader.com/ > also the key in distribution will be to find the schools that could REALLY > USE the devices, (so that they do not go to waste) so if anyone on this > list knows schools, please share: > [email protected] > http://wikireaders4kids.tumblr.com/suggest > > 4 - I hope i'm not creating any conflicts of interest by being a WMF > staffer, please know - if i do cross some line let me know and i'll correct > myself ASAP. I really mean this please contact me if you feel that there is > any COI at all. > > 5 - also here is the .en village pump post from a few weeks ago: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Free_Distribution_of_WikiReaders_to_offline_schools_around_the_world.2C_funded_by_Kickstarter.com_or_Indiegogo.com > > 6 - we are also looking into contacting battery manufacturers and solar > charger manufacturers to see if they would like the good press by donating > a few of their chargers & batteries to the schools that end up getting the > wikireaders. > > Thanks for your interest everyone! As of me writing this, we are already at > $505 USD and I expect that alot of people are away from their computers for > the weekend and will see the campaign on Monday when they get to work. > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Oona Castro <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Victor, >> hope you're well. >> >> I found the campaign awsome and will be donating some money. >> I was wondering whether that would be nice to donate some of them to the >> global south, though import taxes might be an issue, as well as the fact >> that it comes with the English Wikipedia and downloading other languages is >> not that intuitive, though it's possible. >> >> Perhaps we could do the work of dowloading different languages and make a >> contest to give them to a few here in Brazil, in India, Argentina, Egypt, >> elsewhere? >> >> The other thing I though of was: I recently was gifted by Henrique with one >> of those and in Amazon it's being sold by less than 10 dollars. So I think >> you may get a good bargain for less than US$ 25 if you talk through it. >> >> let me know what you think >> >> Best regards >> >> Oona >> >> >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Abbas Mahmood <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> All the best, Victor! >>> Abbas. >>> >>>> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:46:22 -0300 >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> CC: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids >>>> >>>> That is a cool project. Congrats, Victor. >>>> >>>> I've a wikireader with me someone gave a few years ago. Have someone >>> tried >>>> to install a Wikipedia of another language? I will try < >>>> http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/> sometime soon (alguém da >>> WMBR >>>> com mais tempo, se quiser, fale comigo). >>>> >>>> What about using their software <http://thewikireader.com/> on Linux? >> If >>>> you were successfull with that, please, let me know. Their apps are >> just >>>> for Windows and Mac stuff. >>>> >>>> I'll check if'd possible to have these machines sold somehow in South >>>> America. Ideas? At least we still don't have at our recent Amazon < >>>> http://www.amazon.com.br/> site. >>>> >>>> Maybe it would be good to suggest wikireader producers to have the >>> hardware >>>> source open as well, if that don't make they go bankrupt. Who knows we >>>> could produce locally. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Victor Grigas <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise >>> funds to >>>>> buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and kids >>> in >>>>> places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and kids. >>>>> >>>>> The campaign is here: >>>>> >>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids >>>>> >>>>> The video is here: >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 >>>>> >>>>> Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the >>> campaign, >>>>> please share the link with others! >>>>> >>>>> While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this >>>>> entirely as a volunteer. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Victor Grigas* >>>>> Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 >>>>> 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor >>>>> San Francisco, CA 94105 >>>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) >>>> "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more >> useful >>>> than a life spent doing nothing." >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > > -- > > *Victor Grigas* > Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> > Wikimedia Foundation > [email protected] > +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 > 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > https://donate.wikimedia.org/ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 110, Issue 15 > ******************************************** _______________________________ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) Donate to keep Wikipedia free: https://donate.wikimedia.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
