On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the observation. > > Is the graph <http://i.imgur.com/TfaD99V.png> based on actual data? Because > it looks just tad bit too linear to me. (I do not disagree with the > finding, just wondering about the graph itself). > > I still would worry, though: our content is increasing linearly, as you > say, but the number of active contributors is not. If we take for granted > that active contributors are the ones who provide quality control for the > articles, this means that since 2006 or so the ratio of content per > contributor is linearly declining, which would mean that our quality would > suffer.
There are a few parts of this that I dont think it can be taken for granted, and I would love to see stats about quality rather than quantity, as you're talking about quality, and that should be a significant component of our analysis. 1) 'active contributors are the ones who provide quality control' bots do a lot of what used to be done by humans back in 2007, rolling back most silly edits. and it is a small subset of active contributors who do the majority of the maintenance. 2) the number of active contributors _doing quality control_ has declined. we know the number of overall editors is declining, and I think you are right that those doing quality control is declining, but is there evidence to support it? And does it support that this decline is a problem? My gut feeling is that the decline in 'quality control' edits is tightly linked to the increase in bots doing quality control. i.e. do we have research to support total article-to-editor ratio having a bearing on average quality of content? A proxy could be average number of references per article ..? It seems unlikely, as our content over the last five years has increased in quality, and our number of editors has declined. > I see two effects to counter that: > > 1) as you already mentioned, contributors are getting increasingly more > experienced and more effective in fulfilling their tasks. > > 2) we continue to have a strong increase in readers and even stronger in > pageviews (i.e. more and more people consult Wikipedia more and more). They > probably also provide a layer of quality assurance, even though they might > not qualify to be counted as active contributors. > > I have the gut feeling that 1) cannot be sufficient, and I would be curious > in the effects of 2) - especially considering that much of the Foundation > development work can be considered in improving 2 further (visual editor, > article rating, mobile editing, etc.) I agree with James that (1) is significant, and (2 - 'the future') brings many unknowns with it. (1) consists of our entire potential editor base, which includes of all our currently active editors, and all of our inactive editors who are able to resume editing at any time - i.e. not blocked, not ^&%ed off, etc. They all know the syntax, and have demonstrated their commitment to the vision, _and_ the writers have a personal connection to the articles that they worked on. I see lots of them come back occasionally to touch up or expand their work. (2) brings different editors, for good or ill. There are some concerns in the community that simplifying editing will bring more non-trivial vandalism that bots cant handle, and even more good meaning editors who are discouraged when they can't understand why their edit has disappeared, because they dont read the history, the talk pages, etc, etc. The ratio of experienced editor to newbie could be a significant factor in the maintenance of a friendly environment. More is not always better. Don't get me wrong; a good VE will be very helpful, and the projects defensive mechanisms will adapt. But I predict that if we see lots of poor quality articles from VE, without adequate references, and the community backlogs become problematic, the community will want develop tools to limit new poor quality articles. Does anyone have stats for the number of blocked users per month over the years, as that is hurting our potential editor base, and number of reverts of edits by new users. -- John Vandenberg _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
