[Sorry for cross-posting] Yes, I agree that the OmegaWiki community should be involved in the discussions, and I pointed GerardM to our proposals whenever and discussions, using him as a liaison. We also looked and keep looking at the OmegaWiki data model to see what we are missing.
Our latest proposal is different from OmegaWiki in two major points: * our primary goal is to provide support for structured data in the Wiktionaries. We do not plan to be the main resource ourselves, where readers come to in order to look up something, we merely provide structured data that a Wiktionary may or may not use. This parallels the role of Wikidata has with regards to Wikipedia. This also highlights the difference between Wikidata and OmegaWiki, since OmegaWiki's goal is "to create a dictionary of all words of all languages, including lexical, terminological and ontological information." * a smaller difference is the data model. Wikidata's latest proposal to support Wiktionary is centered around lexemes, and we do not assume that there is such a things as a language-independent defined meaning. But no matter what model we end up with, it is important to ensure that the bulk of the data could freely flow between the projects, and even though we might disagree on this issue in the modeling, it is ensured that the exchange of data is widely possible. We tried to keep notes on the discussion we had today: < http://epl.wikimedia.org/p/WiktionaryAndWikidata> My major take home message for me is that: * the proposal needs more visual elements, especially a mock-up or sketch of how it would look like and how it could be used on the Wiktionaries * there is no generally accepted place for a discussion that involves all Wiktionary projects. Still, my initial decision to have the discussion on the Wikidata wiki was not a good one, and it should and will be moved to Meta. Having said that, the current proposal for the data model of how to support Wiktionary with Wikidata seems to have garnered a lot of support so far. So this is what I will continue building upon. Further comments are extremely welcomed. You can find it here: <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary> As said, it will be moved to Meta, as soon as the requested mockups and extensions are done. Cheers, Denny 2013/8/10 Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> > Hello, > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:13 PM, JP Béland <lebo.bel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community. > > Agreed. > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> wrote: > > Why? The question of moving them into the WMF fold was pretty much no, > > because the project has an overlapping purpose with Wiktionary, > > This is not actually the case. > There was overwhelming community support for adopting Omegawiki - at > least simply providing hosting. It stalled because the code needed a > security and style review, and Kip (the lead developer) was going to > put some time into that. The OW editors and dev were very interested > in finding a way forward that involved Wikidata and led to a combined > project with a single repository of terms, meanings, definitions and > translations. > > Recap: The page describing the OmegaWiki project satisfies all of the > criteria for requesting WMF adoption. > * It is well-defined on Meta http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Omegawiki > * It describes an interesting idea clearly aligned with expanding the > scope of free knowledge > * It is not a 'competing' project to Wiktionaries; it is an idea that > grew out of the Wiktionary community, has been developed for years > alongside it, and shares many active contributors and linguiaphiles. > * It started an RfC which garnered 85% support for adoption. > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki > > Even if the current OW code is not used at all for a future Wiktionary > update -- and this idea was proposed and taken seriously by the OW > devs -- their community of contributors should be part of discussions > about how to solve the Wiktionary problem that they were the first to > dedicate themselves to. > > Regards, > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>