Hoi,
But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen
by many more people, they do us a service.

In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all
about getting the knowledge out there.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
> don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually,
> Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
> moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom
> they really cooperate.
>
> It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
> Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
> freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they
> use the word "internet" they don't speak of the same thing we do.
>
> Jens
>
> 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart <kel...@kiwix.org>
>
> > Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
> > > I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
> > > Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
> > > internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
> > > involved?
> >
> > If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins
> > such a dishonest project.
> >
> > If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
> > their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma.
> > A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move)
> > and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
> > (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
> > it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
> > situations ;)
> >
> > If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then
> > this is really a dream we should be part of!
> >
> > But, this is all about speculations...
> >
> > I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears.
> > But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
> > That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
> > will make the next moves.
> >
> > Emmanuel
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