Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data.

2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>

> Hoi,
> But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen
> by many more people, they do us a service.
>
> In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all
> about getting the knowledge out there.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
>
> On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> > Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
> > don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So,
> actually,
> > Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
> > moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with
> whom
> > they really cooperate.
> >
> > It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
> > Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
> > freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because
> they
> > use the word "internet" they don't speak of the same thing we do.
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart <kel...@kiwix.org>
> >
> > > Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
> > > > I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for
> now.
> > > > Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
> > > > internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to
> be
> > > > involved?
> > >
> > > If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement
> joins
> > > such a dishonest project.
> > >
> > > If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
> > > their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a
> dilemma.
> > > A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical
> move)
> > > and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
> > > (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
> > > it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
> > > situations ;)
> > >
> > > If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet...
> then
> > > this is really a dream we should be part of!
> > >
> > > But, this is all about speculations...
> > >
> > > I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my
> hears.
> > > But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
> > > That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
> > > will make the next moves.
> > >
> > > Emmanuel
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