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Fred > Hi Tom > > Thanks for your contribution. However, you seem to have missed the point. > > So Lisa violates the 3RR principle and you lecture me. And I lodge a > complaint over the 3RR and that gets closed without due process. > > Would you care to touch on those tho aspects and advance your opinion on > the 3RR violation being swept under the carpet? And reporting of a 3RR > violation being swept under the same carpet? > > I must presume that you condone the action of the other editor? > > And for your information, everytime I have come across people that > monitor > even the talkpage of their favourite articles you can be sure that it is > about the content of what is posted, but about whether or not the comment > casts the subject of the article in a bad light. > > Perhaps you might care to look into this and look into the edit history > of > these editors? > > Regards, > > Rui > > > > > On 5 September 2013 14:18, Thomas Morton > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Lets just be clear here, the contributuion Rui is talking about was as >> follows: >> >> Must be a joke - how can moving from W8 to W XP be called a downgrade? >> W8 >> is crap! I want a computer, not a basket of "apps" for retarded >> morons!< >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Windows_XP&oldid=571533769 >> > >> >> His response to its removal is to suggest those removing it are paid >> Pro-Microsoft editors. >> >> Rui, what I'm going to suggest here is that you've not really >> understood >> the processes that go into collaborating on an article. You may well be >> right that the content needs changing, but your presentation of a >> personal >> opinion in such a ranting form makes it very hard to collaborate. >> >> Look at it from another side. If you'd put a lot of effort into writing >> and >> article and then someone turned up on the talk page to post what looked >> like a personal rant about the content, citing no sources and putting >> very >> little in the way of suggested changes.... would you be peeved? Would >> you >> wonder if perhaps that editor was a paid editor sent to disrupt the >> article >> by a competitor? >> >> Would you be offended if Lisa held that view about you (that you were a >> paid advocate?). >> >> So, yes, Wikipedia has a big problem. But it's not just abusive admins >> (we >> have a few) and grumpy editors, or paid advocates. It is a broad >> spectrum >> of problems - and in this case you were the one with the >> less-than-perfect >> contribution. >> >> Broadly speaking this is an education problem; we need to bring more >> focus >> on the concept of the talk page as a collaboration portal *not* as a >> place >> to discuss the topic (i.e. NOTFORUM) and we also need to emphasise the >> importance of making comments in the right tone, and with supporting >> sources. >> >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >> On 4 September 2013 22:08, Rui Correia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Greetings to All >> > >> > Let me start by saying that I don't do much here at the WP, not >> compared >> to >> > people who make hundreds of edits a week. I would love to, have a >> long >> list >> > of "to-do", but unfortunately time is not on my side. >> > >> > In my limited involvemet here, I have seen many a good editor leave >> the >> > project. Mostly, people leave because they can't take it anymore >> having >> to >> > fight the 'blocks' of defenders that coalesce around certain topics. >> > >> > In itself, though not very healthy, such blocks forming around topis >> is >> > fine. What is not fine is that if any issue gets referred to a higher >> > process for a resolution, it is often the same people grouping of >> people >> > previously involved in disputes on the same topic who come to the >> > resolution forum to issue a decision. However, it is always the >> 'outsider' >> > that loses. He gets acused of everything under the sun, and gets >> 'good >> > advice' from supposedly neutral editors, urging him to calm down, to >> temper >> > his language etc. It is like trying to point out that the earth is >> round >> at >> > a monthly meetng of the fat-earthers. That is not healthy and is >> making >> the >> > WP processes look like a kangaroo court run by a cabal. >> > >> > And I expect pretty much the same reaction to this email. >> > >> > I pointed out in an ealier email to this list the difficulty that one >> > encounters when you include something negative about certain big >> > corporations. I was stoned and made to feel that I was wrong and >> everbody >> > else was right. The reaction was tantamount to a chorus of "yes, we >> know >> > there are problems, but don't say it out loud, someone might hear >> you!". >> > >> > Let's for argument's say that I was wrong. But - more importantantly >> - >> was >> > anything done to investigate what I was saying? What if there are >> legions >> > out there paid to sanitise the pages of big corporations? And we know >> that >> > they exist, and that WP has taken up the issue as in here, >> > >> > >> http://nick-xomba-ceo.xomba.com/microsoft_accused_of_paying_blogger_to_alter_wikipedia_articles >> > >> > I made a silly remark on a Talk page about the choice of the word >> > "downgrade" to refer to people using Windows 8 who wanted to go back >> to >> XP. >> > For a failed product, by Microsoft's own admission, going back to XP >> is >> an >> > upgrade, going back to sanity, not a downgrade. >> > >> > I was first accused of trolling, then something else, then of >> offending >> the >> > entire community of users of Windows 8. The editor who is adamant - >> not >> the >> > first time - to purge ant-MS from the talkpage violated the 3RR, but >> > nothing gets done about it. I reported the 3RR, and it was >> immediately >> > closed, labelled as being relatiatory. There is a backlog of issues >> on >> that >> > page, but my entry was closed within minutes. >> > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Codename_Lisa_reported_by_User:Rui_Gabriel_Correia_.28Result:_Closed.29 >> > >> > It was closed, claiming that it was already being addressed >> elsewhere. >> > >> > So, I too will consider my stay here. Like I said right at the top, I >> don't >> > do much here, so I am certain I will not even be missed. I edit in >> eight >> > languages, small little bits here and there. I participated in a >> number >> of >> > initiaves on the development of Chapters in Africa and am happy to >> see >> that >> > things are moving. I had the honour and privilege to meet Jimmy Wales >> in >> > South Africa and to discuss a few things relating to WP in Africa. >> > >> > So, it is time to wind down anr retire into a corner. I am busy with >> a >> > novel, I am sure that is where I should invest my time and energy. >> > >> > Sincere regards to all, happy editing >> > >> > Rui Correia >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________ >> > Rui Correia >> > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant >> > Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant >> > >> > Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 >> > Número de Telemóvel na Ãfrica do Sul +27 74 425 4186 >> > _______________ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > > -- > _________________________ > Rui Correia > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Work Consultant > Bridge to Angola - Angola Liaison Consultant > > Mobile Number in South Africa +27 74 425 4186 > Número de Telemóvel na Ãfrica do Sul +27 74 425 4186 > _______________ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
